Re: Thanks for the reply

No money? Well I'm neither Bill Gates nor Paul Allen ... though Allen's house is just down the street from me. I guess I'll have to survive in the ignominy of being in his shadow.

But power? Sorry but that isn't on my list of concerns. When I feel powerless I take my boat out on the Pacific ... and remember exactly how powerless all of us are.

Daniel Morgan

Justin John wrote:

> Daniel,
>
> Let me guess, your hourly rate is .....$200?? which turns into $400k,
> after tax, $200k, BIG DEAL. You are still a labor, maybe not that cheap,
> compare with Latino Janitors. But money and power, you have none. Wake up
>
> Justin
>
> "Daniel A. Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3C557DA0.E947084B_at_exesolutions.com...
> > I love it ... so work like a dog is never a factor.
> >
> > But cheap labor? You've got to be kidding. Not at my hourly bill rate. <g>
> >
> > Daniel Morgan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Justin wrote:
> >
> > > Daniel,
> > >
> > > You call it mental challenge, I'd rather call it work like a dog, or
> > > cheap labor. The mental challenge should be being Enron CEO, put a few
> > > politicians in your pocket, the world is yours :-))
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > "Daniel A. Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3C5521E3.205E6F0_at_exesolutions.com...
> > > > And that is exactly why I prefer being a development DBA. I like the
 continuing
> > > > mental challenges. But don't say 'nothing can be automated'. With
 built-in
> > > > packages such as DBMS_JOB, DBMS_SMTP, DBMS_PIPE, DBMS_FTP, and
 UTL_FILE a
> > > > phenomenal amount of stuff can be automated if one chooses to invest
 the
 time
> > > > and effort.
> > > >
> > > > Daniel Morgan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Justin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Daniel,
> > > > > I totally agree with you, and that's why I want to be a DBA,
 instead
 of a
> > > > > programmer, as a programmer, there isn't much stuff to automate, and
 no
> > > > > script will do your programming work, you can have reusable
 component,
 but
> > > > > it just make your life a bit easier.
> > > > >
> > > > > Justin
> > > > > "Daniel A. Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3C53E0E8.3001B6F0_at_exesolutions.com...
> > > > > > I strongly disagree. A good DBA should have scripts monitoring
 multiple
 instances that send emails
> > > > > > whenever certain metrics are found to be out-of-whack. The backups
 should
 be automated and the
> > > > > > restores never required. And with respect to tuning ... that is
 certainly
 an ongoing activity. But
> > > > > > if it takes 8 hours a day ... there is something very wrong.
 Likely
 going
 all the way back to not
> > > > > > being involved in the application's development and testing cycle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daniel Morgan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kevin McDaniel wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Justin,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If the DBAs you know do nothing but surf the net all day, then
 they
> > > > > > > must not be very good DBAs. Although the list of general
> > > > > > > responsibilities for DBAs is rather short, they encompass quite
 a
 bit.
> > > > > > > For example, I spend the majority of my day working on space
> > > > > > > management issues. I prepare reports and conduct research for
> > > > > > > upcoming projects that will effect the database. I determine if
 the
> > > > > > > amount of space allocated to the database is sufficient for
 future
> > > > > > > changes, like new product installations, growth rates of
 existing
> > > > > > > applications, etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Besides the normal DBA responsibilities of Backup/Recovery,
> > > > > > > Perf/Tuning, the DBAs that I know also work on application
 development
> > > > > > > and tuning.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bottom line: there is a lot to being a DBA. The pace may be a
 little
> > > > > > > less than what you're used to now. But don't expect it to be
 like
> > > > > > > that all of the time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Justin" <justin_at_ca.ca> wrote in message
 news:<nfJ48.18402$Ii5.4912179_at_news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > > > > > > > Hey, Chris,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply, I took a look at the STS stuff, looks
 good
 though
> > > > > > > > the price is kind of steep. Do you have any experience with
 STS ?
 Do
 you
> > > > > > > > think reading oracle's documentation will help, though the
 volume
 is
 kind of
> > > > > > > > overwhelming.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm just curious, the DBAs I know seems just like Sys
 Admins,
 sitting
> > > > > > > > there surfing the net all day, unless someone broke something
 or
 something
> > > > > > > > really bad happend, which doesn't happen that often, while us
 poor
> > > > > > > > programmers have to work day and night at every new feature
 release,
 which
> > > > > > > > is almost every week.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Justin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Chris Boyle" <cboyle_at_no.spam.hargray.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:a2u70u$dh8d$1_at_news3.infoave.net...
> > > > > > > > > I would also skip the OCP CBTs from Oracle. They were the
 exact
 same
> > > > > > > > > quality as Daniel found the book to be. Until Sybex or
 somebody
 comes out
> > > > > > > > > with a book your only choice is class room training. You
 could
 get
 the
 STS
> > > > > > > > > test. They will help you pass certification.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have never met a DBA that didn't have deadlines to meet
 and
 recovering a
> > > > > > > > > mission critical instance after a disk failure can't be
 considered
 relaxing.
> > > > > > > > > DBA is different than programming but it can be just as
 stressful
 and
> > > > > > > > > taxing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good luck on the exams.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Justin" <justin_at_ca.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:_Ul48.20204$bu6.3893731_at_news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Hi, there,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking about take oracle 9i ocp exam, at least
 the
 oca
 part,
 before
> > > > > > > > > > looking for a dba job. Been a programmer too long, tired
 and
 laid
 off.
 Want
> > > > > > > > > > something more relaxing. Hate deadlines.
> > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions on what kind of books or online
 resources
 for
 the
> > > > > > > > > > preparation, oracle 9i is pretty new, you know.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Justin
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
Received on Mon Jan 28 2002 - 18:05:32 CET