Re: RFD: comp.databases.oracle.server.java

Several responses have indicated that "comp.databases.oracle.java" would

be a more suitable proposition to parent further Java newsgroups under the
comp.databases.oracle umbrella. I would like to explain our reasoning as follows:

1. We felt comp.databses.oracle.server.java proposed by the existing RFD was more appropriate as it fits the charter of this proposal. We are proposing to separating discussions on Java in the database server from the rest of the database discussions. Therefore the newsgroup would have to be a subgroup of comp.databases.oracle.server.
2. There is an existing newsgroup called comp.databases.oracle.tools which based on our argument would be more appropriate to do the same for a new

newsgroup for Java discussions on Java clients and tools (which we have not
proposed yet).

3. The organization we are proposing helps keep the complexity of the comp.databases.oracle umbrella down as most people are already familiar with comp.databases.oracle.server and comp.databases.oracle.tools and discussions
are well defined along the server and tools areas already.

If most people prefer the comp.databases.oracle.java.xxx organization, I'd be more
than happy to revisit the existing proposal. Responses would be appreciated.

Moe Fardoost

Moe Fardoost wrote:

> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group comp.databases.oracle.server.java
>
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
> world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup
> comp.databases.oracle.server.java. This is not a Call for Votes
> (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.
>
> Newsgroup line:
> comp.databases.oracle.server.java Server side Java in Oracle.
>
> RATIONALE: comp.databases.oracle.server.java
>
> Developers are finding that Java is not only suitable for client
> side development but also a great choice for developing portable,
> safe and fast server side applications. This has caused a sharp rise
> in the interest levels in database development using Java as a
> development platform.
>
> Oracle is offering several server side products which are at the
> center of much discussion in industry as well as academia.
> Developers interested in information on Java in Oracle server are
> finding it hard to find such information. This is particularly an
> issue where the developer is looking for discussions with other
> fellow Java developers. The proponents of this RFD believe there are
> several reasons for proposing a new dedicated newsgroup for this
> purpose.
>
> Firstly, Oracle's existing server newsgroup
> (comp.databases.oracle.server), is at the limit of reasonable
> activity with 1000+ postings. On a typical day, there is more than
> 120 new postings. With thousands of Java developers finding database
> development more and more attractive, the added traffic to this
> newsgroup will impact this newsgroup significantly.
>
> Secondly, The field of Java development is one that has been
> supported by the development community from its inception. The new
> newsgroup would be an invaluable resource to the new developer
> seeking to gain Java in database information and expertise as well
> as the experienced developer looking for detailed discussions on
> Java without having to wade through irrelevant discussions.
>
> Thirdly, comp.databases.oracle.server tends to attract a
> considerable traffic on relational database development in non Java
> languages such as PL/SQL and SQL as well as database administration
> issues. Discussions in these areas are fundamentally different from
> discussions likely to arise from a pure Java development community
> who mainly develop Object Oriented, component based and network
> centric applications in Java. This causes the two kinds of
> discussions to diverge quickly. This will create a duality in the
> content of the existing newsgroup and will likely lead to
> frustration in subscribers and dilution in discussion content.
>
> CHARTER: comp.databases.oracle.server.java
>
> The proposed newsgroup will create a focal point for the
> discussion of all server side Java development issues for Oracle
> and other databases on all platforms. Tips, bug information,
> frequently asked questions, voluntary technical and other assistance
> and informational postings would be welcomed. This newsgroup would
> not be moderated and would not have any official ties or connections
> with any commercial vendor or developer.
>
> This newsgroup is for information sharing and mutual assistance of
> subscribers. This newsgroup is not a marketplace. Binary postings,
> social advertisement postings, moneymaking schemes, chain letters,
> excessive cross posting and reposting are also discouraged.
>
> It is possible that some people will post unprofessional messages
> which may be offensive to certain people. Or it is possible that
> some people will post messages to conduct illegal business. Users
> are encouraged to ignore such postings.
>
> Personal discussions are discouraged. Furthermore, if a subscriber
> is offended or is personally moved by a posting, it is suggested
> that the posting is ignored. If the reader feels compelled to
> respond to such postings, he or she may do so in email or other
> means outside of this newsgroup.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
> PROCEDURE:
>
> This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this
> phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
> newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period
> will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the
> first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups),
> after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote
> taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to
> vote until this happens.
>
> All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
>
> This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup
> creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
> Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".
> Please refer to these documents (available in
> news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the
> process.
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
>
> news.announce.newgroups, news.groups,
> comp.databases.oracle.server, comp.lang.java.announce,
> comp.lang.java.programmer, comp.lang.java.softwaretools,
>
> Proponent: Nima Safabakhsh <nimas_at_stanford.edu>
> Proponent: David Fishman <david.m.fishman_at_sun.com>
> Proponent: Moe Fardoost <mfardoos_at_us.oracle.com>
Received on Thu Feb 12 1998 - 00:00:00 CET