RFD: comp.lang.c++.rad.power++, comp.lang.c++.rad.misc

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
               unmoderated group comp.lang.c++.rad.misc
             unmoderated group comp.lang.c++.rad.power++

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroups comp.lang.c++.rad.misc and comp.lang.c++.rad.power++.

This is not a Call For Vote (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below.

Newsgroup lines:
comp.lang.c++.rad.misc Miscellaneous discussion of C++ RAD development.
comp.lang.c++.rad.power++ Programming with Powersoft Power++.

RATIONALE: all groups

Rapid Application Development (RAD) is a growing trend in the programming community. More and more we are seeing developers of traditional programming environments create in addition to their more traditional products, products which promote the use of Rapid Application Development principles and models.

Because of the growing use of Rapid Application Development environments in the C++ community, it is becoming of increasing value to have a forum for the discussion of the principles and models of Rapid Application Development with C++ as the base language.

RATIONALE: comp.lang.c++.rad.misc

Much of C++ Rapid Application Development is proprietary to the environment one uses. C++ Rapid Application Development is component-centric in nature. Because of this many of the discussions will be specific to the environment the programmer is using. The discussion of general, non-environment specific Rapid Application Development it's principles, models and advocacy require it's own forum.

RATIONALE: comp.lang.c++.rad.power++

Power++ is a C++ language Rapid Application Development environment with an unique component-centric interface. Power++ is the product of Powersoft, the creators of Watcom C++, PowerBuilder, Sybase SQL Anywhere, etc. Power++ was formerly known as Optima++.

Power++ incorporates and integrates many of the features of the other Powersoft family of products into the Power++ environment. The patented DataWindow, Sybase's SQL Anywhere, Watcom C++ compiler. This close integration with the other Powersoft/Sybase/Watcom products and the unique component-centric development environment make the discussion specific to Power++ and of little relevance to users of other C++ environments.

There is an Power++ mailing list called OptimaPP. It has over 400 subscribers and receives 25-50 messages per day and growing. There have been numerous request about and for an Power++ newsgroup on both the mailing list and also in the comp.lang.* newsgroups especially comp.lang.c++.

OptimaPP is a mailing list for users and potential users of Power++ to discuss the use of Power++. Any Power++ relevant discussion is encouraged.

To subscribe to OptimaPP:
In the body of the message add the line: SUBSCRIBE OptimaPP [Your real name]
and send to:
Mail-Server_at_earthchannel.com

CHARTER: all groups

The normal practice should be that most articles are posted to one single, correct group ONLY. Cross-posting is only appropriate when the problem is hard to categorize or when it legitimately concerns more than one group. Answers should be posted to a single group only once the nature of the problem has been ascertained. Many articles of this sort should go to comp.lang.c++.rad.misc (only).

Advertising Policy:

Following standard Usenet guidelines, the newsgroup is not intended to be used for commercial advertising, solicitation, or marketing of products or services. However, announcements of products or services directly relevant to the newsgroup will be permitted, but only in the following circumstances:

-The product is new or has undergone substantial change
-The posting is clearly marked as an announcement by prefixing the
subject line with the tag, "ANNOUNCE:"
-The posting is brief and contains no marketing hype.

Binaries:

Binaries are not allowed in the comp.lang.c++.rad.* groups. If a binary is appropriate to your message, post the binary to one of the appropriate binary groups, www or ftp site and add a line to your message as to where the binary may be retrieved.

Source Code:

Much of the discussion involved in the comp.lang.c++.rad.* newsgroups will involve source code. It is appropriate to post a reasonable amount of source code in your messages. Do not post an excessively large piece of source code. If you have a large piece of source code that you would like to make available to the group, post the source code to an appropriate www or ftp site.

END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.lang.c++.rad.misc

This newsgroup provides an open forum for the discussion of general non-environment specific C++ Rapid Application Development issues.

Advocacy:

Advocacy discussions may be posted here. Articles supporting or criticizing RAD C++, for discussion of its position in the marketplace, the future potential of RAD C++ and all other issues that are primarily opinions about RAD C++.

Environment specific questions should be posted to the comp.lang.c++.rad.* group appropriate to that environment. If such a group does not exist, the question may be posted here.

This is not a group for general C++ discussion. Please post general C++ questions to comp.lang.c++.

END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.lang.c++.rad.power++

This newsgroup provides an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to Power++. Postings related to all aspects of Power++ would be welcome. These postings would range from: discussions of the Power++ development environment, Windows application development using Power++, integrating Power++ with PowerBuilder, Power++ and the DataWindow, Power++ and Sybase SQL Anywhere, ActiveX, OCX, OLE, Relational Databases.

In short any posting related to Power++ would be entertained. Advice and support would especially be encouraged. This is an unmoderated newsgroup, with no official standing to any particular company.

END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call for Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

The RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create A New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal." Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.lang.c++,comp.soft-sys.powerbuilder ,comp.database.sysbase,comp.database.oracle,comp.lang.pascal.delphi.misc,com p.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc

After it has been posted to news.announce.newgroups it will be reposted to:
comp.lang.c++.moderated, comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools.misc, comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,

and the following mailing list:
OptimaPP mailing list

Proponent: Jimmie Houchin <jhouchin_at_texoma.net> Mentor: Jonathan Grobe <grobe_at_netins.net> Received on Mon Mar 17 1997 - 00:00:00 CET