Re: Oracle headed for Legal Trouble

you miss the point. the vertical packages are not sold in pieces. the product you are using is not the oracle database or the reportwriter, it is the whole vertical, screens, reports, database as an entity.

what you are trying to do is redefine the product. you cant do that since a. you didnt create the product, and b. you dont sell the product.

if you are unhappy with the product boundaries, dont buy it. it is still your right to not do that, but dont bitch becuse you cant buy just the tuner of the tv, or just the refrigeration coils of your amana, or just the rear two wheels of your car.

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In article <4bhg4g$9rv_at_newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jgreene_at_aol.com (Jgreene) wrote:



> Richard Mendoza <rmendoza_at_titan.com> writes


> 

> 

> > For almost all of the past week I've been going rounds with

> > Oracle on a subject that might interest some of you. Oracle as

> > a corporation has taken the position that if you purchase and

> > install a single financial system (GL) you must also install the

> > databases and stored procedures for all of there other systems. 

> > I am told by many in Oracle support that, and here's a quote from 

> > at least 4 people in support) 'That's the way it is and there's 

> > nothing you can do about it' (Now there's some good customer 

> > relations).

> > So in effect what there telling you is Oracle is so big now they

> > can prevent you from installing third party software and there's 

> > nothing you can do about it.

> > If Oracle persists on this hardline stance I think the US Attorney 

> > Generals office should be asked to investigate Oracle. These large 

> > software companies cannot be allowed to tell you what you can or

> > cannot put on your computer systems.

> 

> I feel very comfortable that Oracle will NOT be investigated by the

> attorney general over this packaging issue.  I have installed these

> products and asked the same questions that you did about what could I

> delete to save space on my system.  The Oracle engineers did not have any

> idea.  They would have had to go through every line of code, forms,

> reports, etc. to see what could be deleted and it was not worth it.  What

> we have here is a clear case of bundling unnecessary data tables and

> stored procedures in with a software system where you might only want one

> package.  It is annoying as hell to DBAs and system administrators who are

> constantly under pressure for more disk space, but it is not illegal.  You

> can still go out and buy an hundred copies of SAP financials and run it on

> the same host computer.  Our only defense as DBAs, developers, etc. is to

> make this known on newgroups such as this so that other DBAs who are

> evaluating financial systems can bring this up when the sales reps call. 

> If enough deals fall through because of packaging that makes life easy for

> the developers of the installation script but harder for the people who

> use the system, then the powers that be at Oracle will force their people

> to build installation scripts that only install what is necessary. 

> Besides, the attorney general is already busy defending herself (as is

> everyone else in Washington) from all sorts of charges, so there is

> probably no time to go on the offensive against Oracle.