Re: Why Oracle Tools?......

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> Re: Why Oracle Tools?......
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> enduser_at_enduser.com (EndUser)
> Sat, 09 Dec 1995 20:49:12 -0800
> EndUser, Inc.
>
> Newsgroups:
> comp.databases.oracle
> References:
> <4a322e$sur_at_mail.one.net> <4a3isi$km4_at_bingen.hrp.no>
>
> total, utter, and complete hogwash...
> not all oracle tools are good, i believe the enterprise
> tools, like the ones you mention, forms and reports, are
> too complex for many projects.
> oracle talks to other databases the same as other vendors
> products talk to oracle, via ODBC.
> Oracle Power Objects all by itself is a real nice gui and reports
> generator.
> by the way, Visual Basic has no native tools for dealing with a
 database!
> worse, it has no after market vendor making anything like you need
> when trying to get screens up and running agains tables. you will
> spend plenty of hair pulling making a database gui with vb.
> even oracle enterprise tools like forms are superior to vb in this
 regard.
> also, vb is not cross platform, oracl is on all levels.
> ----
> In article <4a3isi$km4_at_bingen.hrp.no>, jensr_at_hrp.no (Jens Roynlid)
 wrote:
> > tluers_at_one.net (t) wrote:
> > >I'd love to hear your two cents worth to the folowing question:
 

> > >As a development environement that uses an Oracle server, why
 should I
> > >choose Oracle tools (Forms, Reprts, etc...) for my front end? Why
 not
> > >Delphi, Forte, VB, or others?
> >
> > I could give you some reasons why you should NOT choose Oracle
 tools:
> >
> > 1. Oracle doesn't support Windows 95 or Windows NT. (They may run,
 but
> > try to ask Oracle support for help with any problems - they'll turn
> > you down immediately.)
> >
> > 2. The Oracle tools support only Oracle databases natively.
> >
> > 3. The UI produced by Oracle tools is generally unacceptable (lots
 of
> > quirks).
> >
> > 4. There are lots of limitations in the Oracle tools (e.g. error
> > messages cannot have more than 100 characters).
> >
> > 5. When you deploy applications written in Oracle tools, you'll get
> > lots of technical supprt questions because of UI intricacies,
 product
> > instability, etc.
> >
> > 6. Error messages produced at runtime are cryptic and difficult for
> > users to understand.
> >
> > My advice: forget Oracle tools, use VB or Delphi. They're modern,
> > flexible and extensible tools and support several different
> > databases.
> >
> > All opinions expressed here are mine, and not necessarily my
> > employer's.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jens R.

Unless they've improved the User Interface a lot since Forms 4.0, I'd have a hard time accepting Forms as a real development tool. The UI for Forms 4 was about the same as SQL*Forms 3. I almost never user the UI for Forms 3 -- just coded with a text editor -- the UI was that bad!!

When offered a choice between Forms 4.0 and PowerBuilder 2.0a, I chose PB. With all the improvements in PowerBuilder since then, I quess I'll never go back!

BTW, PB uses _native_ drivers for several databases, including Oracle.

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