Re: Oracle and Non-Green Card Indians
Date: 15 Nov 1994 04:49:38 GMT
Message-ID: <3a9el2$9vi_at_dcsun4.us.oracle.com>
I probably shouldn't post this, having invoked Godwin's Law twice,
but here it is anyway.
smith_at_netcom.com ( David Smith at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) writes:
>David B Criswell (dcriswel_at_us.oracle.com) wrote:
>
>: Disclaimer: Yes, I work for you know who. If I were their spokesman,
>: I'd probably make it through this post without using the word
>: "pinhead". I'm not.
>: smith_at_netcom.com ( David Smith at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) writes:
>: >Oracle Corporation, currently hires enourmous amounts of Indians
>: [...]
>: some racist ranting deleted
>: [Btw, why do none of the ranters have spelling checkers?]
>
>To give you smug pinheads something to twit about.
[some stooooopidity deleted]
>: >line, but Oracle knows that a desperate immigrant fleeing his
>: >impoverished country, will work for less, and they will save a few pennies.
>: Um, that's "recent immigrants from an English speaking former British
>: colony, who've spent at least four years in an english-speaking university".
>: I don't see what's wrong with that.
>
>Sorry, Cris, they are pre-Green card folks that your corporation is soaking
>up by the tanker full.
>What's wrong with that? Don't ask me, just ask all the
>underemployed computer science grads that you went to school with.
We don't owe "the underemployed computer science grads" anything.
> We don't
>owe Americans anything do we?
No, we don't. That "do we" seems to indicate that you think this is a rhetorical question. It isn't.
>Let's open up the floodgates completely, and
>then Oracle can hire so many Chinese and Indians, that David Criswell can
>become lead sanitary engineer.
Quaking in my boots, I tell ya.
>: >Sadly, there is such a surplus of Americans looking for Computer Science type
>: >jobs, that a 2 or 3 line classified ad looking for a programmer or
>: >network person etc., will draw 200 resumes in a week,
>: Yes, you're right. A classified ad would draw 200 resumes from incompetant
>: chuckleheads that aren't worth my time to read. That is why most managers
>: at Oracle that I know don't advertise open positions that way.
>
>Well, I guess that has it Cris, Indians are superior to Americans.
>Gee, isn't
>it funny how the racism of you American haters always comes out.
There's way too much irony in your diet.
>By the way,
>do you think the fact that they get hundreds of pre-Green card Indians who
>work for less than the going wage,
>and have the threat of deportation
>hanging over their heads,
Again, the fact that they don't have the threat ... etc etc like above.
>making them very pliable employees, has anything to
>do with the fact that they don't want Americans, or is it all about a racial
>bias?
Of course not. There are lots of Americans who work here as well.
>: >and a large amount of
>: >those being from Computer Science graduates who have been unable to land
>: >their first job.
>: Oracle does not owe you a job because you cannot find one. Oracle does
>: recruit at Cal Poly, so if you hurry on down to the career center you
>: might catch the recruiter. They hire very large amounts of just-out-of
>: school folks - the average age here was 24 last I checked.
>
>Oracle, can legally hire as many thousands
"many thousands"?
>of non-resident Indians as it
>wants Criswell, but you are on unknown turf here, this is all about moral
>values dude.
>Why would I want to work with a huge cultural barrier between
>me and my co-workers, with the exception of some smug American hating Americans
>like yourself?
> Plus, it would be so monotonous going to all those going
>away luncheons, as each Indian gets his green card after a while, and then
>exits stage left, doubletime!
This completely contradicts any experience of mine, and is a complete figment of your imagination.
>: BTW, those of us who are qualified have job offers up the wazoo,
>: unsolicited, so I know there's jobs out there. There's tons of
>: positions (inappropriately) posted here in this newsgroup, as well.
>
>Right, tons of positions. Ever been to a job fair, and seen the deperate
>techical college graduates, swarming the booths for a few positions.
>Or do you just hang out in those green towers in Redwood Shores playing
>find the curry sauce?
I rather like curry. Is this one of those "cultural barriers" you were talking about earlier?
>: >Is is morally right to allow Oracle to save a few bucks
>: >while Americans with Computer Science degrees are unemployed.
>: I'd be interested in seeing the data that Oracle's entry-level salaries
>: are below the industry average. My sources are highly biased, but
>: they seem to indicate that the opposite is true and personal experience
>: backs that up.
>
>We are talking about what they pay all the non-green card Indians. Not the
>sanctimonious David Criswell types.
BTW, I'm not entry-level, so my income is not useful in this comparison.
>: >Would the
>: >average American Computer Science graduate really be unable to man Oracle's
>: >tech support phones?
>: I'd rather hire an above average Computer Science graduate than an average
>: one. If you're average, you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell here.
>: If you're _way_ above average, you can make the team and who gives a toss
>: what color your skin is.
>
>Just the accounts I suppose, who see green when they find desperate hordes
>of non-residents willing to work for less.
They aren't working for less. Sort of puts a hole in your argument.
>: Point is, if I'm hiring someone I'm counting on them to snatch my butt
>: out of the fire now and then. I expect to do the same. I want someone I
>: can count on, not some pinhead who mewls plaintively about white males
>: being an oppressed class.
>
>I am sure your butt is in the fire quite a bit, and it does take 2 non-green
>card Indians for the price of one American, to save it, continuously. I guess
>not many self-hating Americans, to fill your shoes so willingly up their
>with the newly non-immigrated Indians.
>: >Would they be worse at it? Are the Indians racially
>: >superior?
>: Don't know, but the ones I've worked with have been pretty damned
>: impressive, and I'm _not_ an easy judge.
>
>Yeah, like most smug, self-absorbed, cocky know-it-alls, you probably have
>to have it kissed on both cheeks, in a manner only desperate non-resident
>are willing to do.
>: >I ask you Oracle advocates of the world.
>: David Duke is looking for a speechwriter - that's more your speed. Here,
>: you have demonstrated an inability to work with some of my team.
>
>Dave "If you are not for non-resident, pre-Green card, Indians coming over
>here and taking tons of nice desirable comoputer science jobs at below
>market wages, then you must be Hitler" Criswell
>aka David "If I get smug enough and extreme enough, maybe people will forget
>about all the tons of Indians taking jobs from Americans, thanks to the
>Oracle Corporation hiring practices" Criswell
>: Dave Criswell
>: P.S. You've also offended many of the Senior VP's and managers who
>: might hire you.
>
>Well, then have the ones I haven't offended give me a call.
>: P.P.S. Don't even think of applying at Gupta.
>
>Do they prefer to hire around the immigration laws like your employer,
>Oracle Corporation?
ObSheesh: Sheesh!
Dave Criswell Received on Tue Nov 15 1994 - 05:49:38 CET