Re: Oracle and Non-Green Card Indians

David B Criswell (dcriswel_at_us.oracle.com) wrote:

: Disclaimer: Yes, I work for you know who. If I were their spokesman,
: I'd probably make it through this post without using the word
: "pinhead". I'm not.
 

: smith_at_netcom.com ( David Smith at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) writes:
 

: >Oracle Corporation, currently hires enourmous amounts of Indians
: [...]
: some racist ranting deleted
: [Btw, why do none of the ranters have spelling checkers?]

To give you smug pinheads something to twit about.

: >You will find them, not
: >only programming or what have you, but also manning the technical support
: >lines in large numbers. Seems odd to put recent immigrants
: >on a phone support
: >line, but Oracle knows that a desperate immigrant fleeing his
: >impoverished country, will work for less, and they will save a few pennies.
 

: Um, that's "recent immigrants from an English speaking former British
: colony, who've spent at least four years in an english-speaking university".
: I don't see what's wrong with that.

Sorry, Cris, they are pre-Green card folks that your corporation is soaking up by the tanker full. What's wrong with that? Don't ask me, just ask all the underemployed computer science grads that you went to school with. We don't owe Americans anything do we? Let's open up the floodgates completely, and then Oracle can hire so many Chinese and Indians, that David Criswell can become lead sanitary engineer.

: >Sadly, there is such a surplus of Americans looking for Computer Science type
: >jobs, that a 2 or 3 line classified ad looking for a programmer or
: >network person etc., will draw 200 resumes in a week,
 

: Yes, you're right. A classified ad would draw 200 resumes from incompetant
: chuckleheads that aren't worth my time to read. That is why most managers
: at Oracle that I know don't advertise open positions that way.

Well, I guess that has it Cris, Indians are superior to Americans. Gee, isn't it funny how the racism of you American haters always comes out. By the way, do you think the fact that they get hundreds of pre-Green card Indians who work for less than the going wage, and have the threat of deportation hanging over their heads, making them very pliable employees, has anything to do with the fact that they don't want Americans, or is it all about a racial bias?

: >and a large amount of
: >those being from Computer Science graduates who have been unable to land
: >their first job.
 

: Oracle does not owe you a job because you cannot find one. Oracle does
: recruit at Cal Poly, so if you hurry on down to the career center you
: might catch the recruiter. They hire very large amounts of just-out-of
: school folks - the average age here was 24 last I checked.

Oracle, can legally hire as many thousands of non-resident Indians as it wants Criswell, but you are on unknown turf here, this is all about moral values dude. Why would I want to work with a huge cultural barrier between me and my co-workers, with the exception of some smug American hating Americans like yourself? Plus, it would be so monotonous going to all those going away luncheons, as each Indian gets his green card after a while, and then exits stage left, doubletime!

: BTW, those of us who are qualified have job offers up the wazoo,
: unsolicited, so I know there's jobs out there. There's tons of
: positions (inappropriately) posted here in this newsgroup, as well.

Right, tons of positions. Ever been to a job fair, and seen the deperate techical college graduates, swarming the booths for a few positions. Or do you just hang out in those green towers in Redwood Shores playing find the curry sauce?

: >Is is morally right to allow Oracle to save a few bucks
: >while Americans with Computer Science degrees are unemployed.
 

: I'd be interested in seeing the data that Oracle's entry-level salaries
: are below the industry average. My sources are highly biased, but
: they seem to indicate that the opposite is true and personal experience
: backs that up.

We are talking about what they pay all the non-green card Indians. Not the sanctimonious David Criswell types.

: >Would the
: >average American Computer Science graduate really be unable to man Oracle's
: >tech support phones?
 

: I'd rather hire an above average Computer Science graduate than an average
: one. If you're average, you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell here.
: If you're _way_ above average, you can make the team and who gives a toss
: what color your skin is.

Just the accounts I suppose, who see green when they find desperate hordes of non-residents willing to work for less.

: Point is, if I'm hiring someone I'm counting on them to snatch my butt
: out of the fire now and then. I expect to do the same. I want someone I
: can count on, not some pinhead who mewls plaintively about white males
: being an oppressed class.

I am sure your butt is in the fire quite a bit, and it does take 2 non-green card Indians for the price of one American, to save it, continuously. I guess not many self-hating Americans, to fill your shoes so willingly up their with the newly non-immigrated Indians.

: >Would they be worse at it? Are the Indians racially
: >superior?
 

: Don't know, but the ones I've worked with have been pretty damned
: impressive, and I'm _not_ an easy judge.

Yeah, like most smug, self-absorbed, cocky know-it-alls, you probably have to have it kissed on both cheeks, in a manner only desperate non-resident are willing to do.

: >I ask you Oracle advocates of the world.
 

: David Duke is looking for a speechwriter - that's more your speed. Here,
: you have demonstrated an inability to work with some of my team.

Dave "If you are not for non-resident, pre-Green card, Indians coming over here and taking tons of nice desirable comoputer science jobs at below market wages, then you must be Hitler" Criswell

aka David "If I get smug enough and extreme enough, maybe people will forget about all the tons of Indians taking jobs from Americans, thanks to the Oracle Corporation hiring practices" Criswell

: Dave Criswell
 

: P.S. You've also offended many of the Senior VP's and managers who
: might hire you.

Well, then have the ones I haven't offended give me a call.

: P.P.S. Don't even think of applying at Gupta.

Do they prefer to hire around the immigration laws like your employer, Oracle Corporation? Received on Sat Nov 12 1994 - 11:26:16 CET