Re: Newbie to Oracle
From: DA Morgan <damorgan_at_x.washington.edu>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:33:41 -0700
Message-ID: <1113935388.631982_at_yasure>
>>I'm an experienced technical person with lots of hands on exposure to
>>relational databases. I'm not an IT guru but have done reasonably well
>>over the last few decades supporting small networks, databases, and
>>cutting code in simple languages.
>>
>>My boss has decided I'm going to support a major application our
>>company produces and I'm going to be the national Oracle expert for
>>installation and support of our product to the clients.
>>
>>I know nothing of Oracle and have had zero training, however; I can do
>>a basic Oracle 9 installation and configuration of our product.
>>Problem is I'm being lumbered with installing 9i Application Server
>>and have been struggling with it for months. I'm yet to get halfway
>>through an install without killing the whole thing.
>>
>>Our international corporate Oracle experts are of no help to me, they
>>are half way around the world and speak Oracle jargon I cannot fathom.
>>Of course, they have their own jobs to do and couldn't be bothered
>>trying to teach a ignorant beginner via late night phone calls.
>>
>>My boss is a technical vacuum and cannot understand why
>>installing/configuring/maintaining Oracle is so difficult. He thinks
>>it's simply a matter of using an install disk. As such, he refuses to
>>send me on any training courses because it's either expensive or he
>>can't afford to have me out of the office. Undertaking training in the
>>evenings is going to fail as I am constantly out of town to do
>>installation and training at client sites.
>>
>>Given that I have no knowledge or training in Oracle and, have no
>>coporate assistance to call on, is there a quick method to get up to
>>speed on Oracle installation and configuration basics? In particular,
>>I'm looking for resources that are free and in plain English (remember
>>my employer isn't funding this so why should I fund it myself).
>>
>>I'm happy to take on the task but only if I can get to a competent
>>level with it.
>>
>>Any advice or assistance welcomed.
>>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:33:41 -0700
Message-ID: <1113935388.631982_at_yasure>
IANAL_VISTA wrote:
> "The Raven" <swilson150_at_yahoo.com.au> wrote in > news:4264ecd0$0$10303$afc38c87_at_news.optusnet.com.au: > >>>
>>Hi,
>> I'll try to keep this short and (bitter)sweet.
>>I'm an experienced technical person with lots of hands on exposure to
>>relational databases. I'm not an IT guru but have done reasonably well
>>over the last few decades supporting small networks, databases, and
>>cutting code in simple languages.
>>
>>My boss has decided I'm going to support a major application our
>>company produces and I'm going to be the national Oracle expert for
>>installation and support of our product to the clients.
>>
>>I know nothing of Oracle and have had zero training, however; I can do
>>a basic Oracle 9 installation and configuration of our product.
>>Problem is I'm being lumbered with installing 9i Application Server
>>and have been struggling with it for months. I'm yet to get halfway
>>through an install without killing the whole thing.
>>
>>Our international corporate Oracle experts are of no help to me, they
>>are half way around the world and speak Oracle jargon I cannot fathom.
>>Of course, they have their own jobs to do and couldn't be bothered
>>trying to teach a ignorant beginner via late night phone calls.
>>
>>My boss is a technical vacuum and cannot understand why
>>installing/configuring/maintaining Oracle is so difficult. He thinks
>>it's simply a matter of using an install disk. As such, he refuses to
>>send me on any training courses because it's either expensive or he
>>can't afford to have me out of the office. Undertaking training in the
>>evenings is going to fail as I am constantly out of town to do
>>installation and training at client sites.
>>
>>Given that I have no knowledge or training in Oracle and, have no
>>coporate assistance to call on, is there a quick method to get up to
>>speed on Oracle installation and configuration basics? In particular,
>>I'm looking for resources that are free and in plain English (remember
>>my employer isn't funding this so why should I fund it myself).
>>
>>I'm happy to take on the task but only if I can get to a competent
>>level with it.
>>
>>Any advice or assistance welcomed.
>>
> > > I feel sorry for you. I really, really do. > Oracle 9iAS R2 is the most, bug riddled collection of crapware I had ever > seen. I struggled thru 12+ months of repeated installations & bug reports > before & had a working & repeatable installation procedure. I attended the > formal Oracle 9iAS training course & even got their associate OCP in 9iAS; > which kind of helped but not really. Between the bugs, the fact that all > support comes from separate silos in India, and next to nobody in Oracle > really knows 9iAS, it was a painful slog to make it work. I am no longer > working for that employer & no longer having to support Oracle AS, so I > wish for you the best. > > From what I have heard 10gAS is better, but that is damning with faint > praise. > > HTH & YMMV!
10gAS is a far superior product. There is still an inability within Oracle to grasp the concept of standardization so, for example, configuring Forms parameters is done through a very nice web interface while configuring Reports requires hand-coding XML in a window devoid of search/replace capabilities. So the initial learning curve can be quite steep without instruction.
But once installed it is a huge improvement.
-- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan_at_x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)Received on Tue Apr 19 2005 - 20:33:41 CEST