Re: Oracle Forms 6i and 9i
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 08:27:59 -0800
Message-ID: <3E5CEB0F.BE850C65_at_exesolutions.com>
Ryan Gaffuri wrote:
> DA Morgan <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3E5A4C3C.26DB97E7_at_exesolutions.com>...
> > Ryan Gaffuri wrote:
> >
> > > DA Morgan <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3E59A3AF.8ECD5610_at_exesolutions.com>...
> > > > Ryan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > There was a big debate about this on the ODTUG listservs a few weeks ago.
> > > > > Oralce will desupport all client-server for forms 12/2004(or 2006 cant
> > > > > remember).
> > > > >
> > > > > alot of people are not pleased. since there is so much client server out
> > > > > there. why spend the money to migrate to web if you dont need to?
> > > > >
> > > > > "Useko Netsumi" <usenets_at_nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:b3b17t$1k1bai$1_at_ID-159205.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > > Will Oracle continue to support Form 6i as the client-server Form
> > > > > > Development instead of Forms 9i(which is only for Web/Internet Development
> > > > > > only). Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > For my two cents I think Oracle made a huge mistake making iDS 9i web only. Not
> > > > supporting client-server does not gain Oracle a single sale and likely loses
> > > > many.
> > > >
> > > > To me the decision was 100% marketing blunder. And for my two cents, OC4J isn't
> > > > exactly as robust as it needs to be.
> > > >
> > > > Daniel Morgan
> > >
> > > I agree. There is still quite a bit of stuff that you cannot due in a
> > > web application that you can do in client server. Drag and Drop takes
> > > too much bandwidth in a web application, forms itself uses ALOT of
> > > bandwidth over the web. You cant access the users PC. In client server
> > > forms you can actually get into the registry. otn has libraries for
> > > doing just this.
> > >
> > > btw, sorry for quoting ODTUG again, but that is where the front end
> > > people tend to hang out. They feel that Oracle is pushing away from
> > > forms and towards Java. According to some people Oracle has cut
> > > development funds for Forms/Designer and is putting alot of money into
> > > Jdeveloper.
> > >
> > > Just started using jdeveloper, I like it alot. Though the learning
> > > curve on it is much higher than forms/ pl/sql
> >
> > Have you found any good books for JDeveloper beginners? Anything that might lend itself to being a
> > textbook?
> >
> > Daniel Morgan
>
> are you looking for jdeveloper beginner or java beginner? If you want
> to learn java, I dont recommend starting with jdeveloper its a complex
> tool. Best bet is to go to textpad.com and download that. Do not
> install it until you install the JDK or it wont work. Save any file
> you make with the .java extension to your jdk/bin directory and you
> have your editor. Gives you colors. You have a workspace too. You can
> compile from the Tools drop down. Best way to get started.
>
> Good java beginner books? I learned C++ first from class, so I dont
> know. Alot of people like Deitel and Deitel, however, I think its
> terrible. They dont get to the point, jump around, and the pages are
> busy.
>
> I like Thinking in Java by Bruce Eckecl(its free at bruceeckel.com)
> however, that assumes you know some C/C++...
>
> Teaching out of? Cant help you there either. Nor can I help with XML.
>
> I picked up the Dorsey Jdeveloper book and I think its excellent. Lots
> of examples. Lots of good excersices that are based on the HR schema
> in 9i. However, it does not teach you java. Just how to use the IDE.
> You really need to learn java first.
>
> Check on the ODTUG-L listservs for jdeveloper. There is one devoted to
> it. You can get the list at fatcity.com If you find a good java book
> please create a new thread and post it. Im using about 5-6 now, plus
> the Sun docs since none are really complete.
Not interested in "learning Java" but rather offering a class in JDeveloper. And I've not seen any "textbooks" I would consider support material for someone wishing to learn to use the tool.
Thanks.
Daniel Morgan Received on Wed Feb 26 2003 - 17:27:59 CET