Re: Questions for Oracle Developers

Same here. Instead I have been asked to demonstrate. Jim
"damorgan" <dan.morgan_at_ci.seattle.wa.us> wrote in message news:3C6ADF85.36C9CDE6_at_ci.seattle.wa.us...
> There you go ... and it makes sense.
>
> In San Francisco Bay area you are influenced by companies such as Oracle.
>
> Here in Seattle we are influenced by Microsoft.
>
> OCP? SchmOCP! Heck it is hard to find someone that even has TFM.
>
> But seriously I have never been asked by anyone, ever, if I have a
> certification: Not even once.
>
> Dan Morgan
>
>
>
>
> Ken Papai wrote:
>
> > "damorgan" <dan.morgan_at_ci.seattle.wa.us> wrote in ...
> > > I disagree. Hiring managers, at least out here on the West Coast don't
> > know it.
> > > In fact they don't even know it exists.
> >
> > Which West Coast?
> >
> > Here in the SF Bay Area hiring managers are definitely aware
> > of the OCP credential and it is occasionally mentioned in job
requirements
> > when companies advertise for openings.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > > > My OCP DBA certificate was well worth the (fully deductible) $600 I
put
> > > > into it. Don't pay for classes, but you will know more about Oracle
> > > > than the next guy after you pass those tests. And hiring
supervisors
> > > > worth their salt know it! I got the DBA certificate even though i
don't
> > > > like the DBA duties, because that subject matter is not well
understood
> > > > by the average developer (or DBA for that matter). Those that know
the
> > > > knowledge level required to get the oracle certificates are
impressed by
> > > > them. Conversely, nearly all of the people that do not like the OCP
> > > > certifications are not certified. Why is that do you suppose?? I
am
> > > > working through the Java path now.
> > > >
> > > > About Mr. Morgans other points i agree completely - especially the
time
> > > > donation point.
> > > >
> > > > When I started - in the early 80's - companies would take anyone who
> > > > could spell MIS. One company asked one question before hiring me
over
> > > > the phone, "Do you know what a view is?".
> > > >
> > > > Now, (especially given the recession, e-commerce in the toilet,
etc.)
> > > > you need the degree, and the certifications because you young scamps
> > > > just keep coming into the job market, giving hiring supervisors at
least
> > > > some choice. Another problem for someone trying to break into the
trade
> > > > now is the ability of companies to send some (or all) of their
> > > > well/completely designed and documented development to India. You
need
> > > > to be able to compete with me, Mr. Morgan, and a bunch of Indian
> > > > companies for the job you are after.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding pay, perm employees (all things being equal) get 20-40%
less
> > > > than consultants. If you want to go the consulting route, watch for
> > > > snakes. In particular - ask what your services are to be billed at,
if
> > > > you are to get less than 35% of the billed rate or the guy won't
tell
> > > > you, he is taking advantage of your trusting nature. I've been
billed
> > > > at $100 per hour and got paid $55,000 per year (not very long of
> > > > course), you do the math. The people I am with now -
Intellimark-IT -
> > > > are straight shooters, the best. (At least in the Kansas City
office).
> > > >
> > > > Louis
> > > >
> > > > damorgan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Employers want experience. I wouldn't invest a dollar on an OCP.
> > Here's
> > > > > what I would suggest. Install Oracle on a machine at your house.
> > Create a
> > > > > project for yourself ... such as managing your household finances.
> > Find
> > > > > someone to help you when you find rough spots and code it from
> > scratch.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then destroy what you did ... and code it again from scratch. Be
sure
> > that
> > > > > you use tables, views, sequences, functions, triggers, and
procedures
> > in
> > > > > packages. Perhaps even a materialized view or two.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then ... find a local non-profit or charity where you can donate
time.
> > > > > They look just as good on your resume as someone that paid you
money.
> > > > > Within a year, if you work at it, you will be doing what you want
to
> > do.
> > > > > And as you probably have some ethical standards ... law is likely
not
> > for
> > > > > you. <g> Don't be to quick to give up your dreams.
> > > > > Daniel Morgan
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > Samantha wrote:
> > > > >>Hey everyone...I wasn't sure where to post this so I am trying my
> > > > >>question here. I graduated in the fall of 2000 with an MIS degree.
> > > > >>Unlike many of the other graduates I knew what kind of job that I
> > > > >>wanted. I wanted to be an Oracle Developer. Problem is finding a
job.
> > > > >>Since graduation I had a job as an Oracle DBA for a really small
> > > > >>company that collapsed and now I'm an Informix DBA for a company
that
> > > > >>saw something in me. Problem is I'm not enjoying the DBA side of
> > > > >>databases. So I've come here for your advice. I'm considering
either a
> > > > >>career move to law or to finish up my OCP and try to find a job as
an
> > > > >>Oracle Developer. Will having an OCP prove to employers that I
know my
> > > > >>stuff. It seems like they want experience but I can't get
experience
> > > > >>if I don't have a job doing that. The only experience I have are
> > > > >>projects that I worked on for classes. As you all can tell I'm
very
> > > > >>confused. I really need to know what you all love and hate about
being
> > > > >>an Oracle Developer. Also I know salaries vary depending on
experience
> > > > >>and location but what kind of salaries have you noticed going for
an
> > > > >>Oracle Developer position. Any help would be appreciated.
>
Received on Thu Feb 14 2002 - 05:39:15 CET