Re: NEED HELP BADLY!!!

I disagree wholeheartedly with what was just said. I am not in IS and I had no Oracle (or any other database for that matter) training when I started working where I am. I was facing a similar dilemna (using Excel and Access to genereate reports and nobody else having time to make anything else). I was however given access to do what I needed to and now about 1 1/2 years later am a fairly proficient Oracle developer and still maintain all of my own applications and also help out the IS guys with some of their stuff. I do agree that you will need to do some coding but given the correct environment (i.e. IS people willing to help a little and point you in the right direction) you can do this on your own. I agree that the IS people should not be responsible for your project but you can develop and maintain it yourself. All I needed was access to Oracle, someone to answer a few questions and the Oracle documentation. Best of luck.

"Sybrand Bakker" <postbus_at_sybrandb.demon.nl> wrote in message news:965062426.10086.2.pluto.d4ee154e_at_news.demon.nl...
> First of all, I have a feeling many people here are in the IS sector, and
 I
> know for sure we all *hate!!* end-users developing their own application
> because in the end we will be assigned to cleaning out your *mess*.
> The IS people are just overloaded by requests from people like you, who
> don't know what they want and assume they can get unlimited resources,
 while
> management keeps cutting back on funds while what they would need to do is
> - either enlarge the IS-department
> - or make sure their end-users get properly educated in end-user
> applications.
>
> This is probably one of the reasons why you didn't get responses, people
> like you shouldn't be encouraged without *proper* training.
>
> This all may sound hostile, but I have been working for years in similar
> situations. In the end *I* had to clean out *your messes*.
> Please don't blame the IS department for it, you are as much at fault as
> they are.
>
> That all said,
>
> There is *NO* Oracle tool that doesn't require to write code,except for
> maybe Oracle Discoverer.
>
> Oracle 8i is a standalone PC version of Oracle. AFAIK it doesn't have the
> distributed option, it definitely doesn't have the advanced replicate
> option, both of which you need to 'replicate a couple of their schemas'.
> Question: How is going to keep them in sync? You are?
> Don't you think you need Oracle/coding expertise for this? IS is going to
 do
> it? I'm sure they will just *love* you for it.
> Get proper resources, create a project, and have *them* to what you want.
> *They* are paid for it, you are not. *They* have the proper knowledge, you
> *don't* and when you
> proceed, you are just on your own way to hell.
>
>
>
> Sorry,
>
> Sybrand Bakker, Oracle DBA
>
>
> "oscargrouch" <leejackmoNOleSPAM_at_hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:3b34e9b1.3c5852a8_at_usw-ex0104-028.remarq.com...
> > Please forgive me for posting this again, but since it was the
> > weekend and noone responded, I figured I would give all you
> > geniuses another shot at it... ;-]
> >
> > I'll try to make this as short as I can.
> > I'm a financial guy who uses an Oracle DW at my company. I saw a
> > sales demo of Oracle Reports. It looks awesome...I could publish
> > my queries and stuff for access with a browser.
> >
> > My main problem is that I have lots of tables and stuff I have
> > to use that aren't in Oracle. I have no permission to put stuff
> > there and the IS people are slow at best...I basically have no
> > method of getting what I need into Oracle in any timely
> > fashion...so I have to use Access, Excel, and other various half-
> > assed methods to make db info available to my bosses without me
> > having to publish manually...so my first question is...
> >
> > Assuming I could get a space to place tables and develop my own
> > schemas, is there an Oracle tool I could use to create
> > procedures and schemas and such that doesn't require me to write
> > code?
> >
> > Now for the really ugly part...
> >
> > There's a decent chance that I won't get the permission to do
> > the stuff I talked about above...so I want to know this, also...
> >
> > Is there an Oracle tool (I've seen 8i Personal, but don't know
> > what it is) that would allow me to (easily, with no or very very
> > little code) replicate a couple of their schemas onto my own box
> > and then do the development work I described above there?
> >
> > Any help on any of this is much appreciated and I'll still be
> > your friend when I'm famous.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
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Received on Mon Jul 31 2000 - 00:00:00 CEST