Re: The black box approach

From: Mladen Gogala <>
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 03:13:30 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <o3ndgq$nmn$>

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:23:17 +1100, Noons wrote:

> On 17/12/2016 3:26 _at_wiz, Mladen Gogala wrote:
>> At the same time, the relevant information is getting more and more scant

>> and hard to find. Oracle is getting more and more closed every day.

> I hear the Oracle-L "damagement" desperately asked you to rejoin.
> Amazing how honest they are, isn't it? One moment they want everyone
> not toeing the line out, the next they all change their opinion once
> Nuno has left. Wonders will never cease! :)
> Ah well, it's all part of making information available to everyone
> provided that does not include "recalcitrants". As if...
> Good thing the original author of the thing is now out of Oracle: it
> might change their direction. Or rather make it worse. Too soon to

[Quoted] I rejoined, that is true, but my activity is very much toned down. The plain truth is that the list is no longer very interesting. I am not towing the line and I never will. My impression from the list is that Oracle is trying to turn itself into a church, from being a corporation. They are treating the dissenters like heretics.

[Quoted] Nobody from the list's early days is active any more. Even Jonathan, for [Quoted] whom I have all the respect in the world, has very much toned down his [Quoted] activity on the list. The big news is that the activity on the list will count as a good deed from Oracle ACE directors. I can assure you of one thing: I will never become an Oracle ACE. The reason is very simple: Oracle ACE title is, basically, a title of an auxiliary Oracle sales person, sales militia, if you want. If I will be selling Oracle, I want to get paid.
[Quoted] The reason for my rejoining was to give an appropriate farewell to Steve Adams. The mission is now accomplished and I no longer care about the list. Steve has ruined it, for everybody. Current "leading members" are continuing his good work.
[Quoted] Unfortunately, I don't think that Oracle itself is very interesting any longer. That is the reason why the list is dying and why this group is dying.

Mladen Gogala
The Oracle Whisperer
Received on Sun Dec 25 2016 - 04:13:30 CET

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