X-Received: by 10.50.87.97 with SMTP id w1mr19380235igz.1.1427127127742; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.92.55 with SMTP id a52mr1368731qge.16.1427127127522; Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Path: news.cambrium.nl!textnews.cambrium.nl!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!212.27.60.9.MISMATCH!feeder2-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.213.215.MISMATCH!z20no2469241igj.0!news-out.google.com!f74ni423qge.0!nntp.google.com!h3no4318186qgf.1!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=64.58.150.28; posting-account=tpQovAkAAABNoH5bwsZAiff2L0zxGwdv NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.58.150.28 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <34469fa1-e1d1-443a-859a-afc7e3012692@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Becoming a religion From: joel garry Injection-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:12:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.cambrium.nl On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 8:47:56 PM UTC-7, Noons wrote: > On 21/03/2015 3:20 AM, Mladen Gogala wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > Is it really not possible for you to play nice? >=20 > Yeah, that's what that list has become: a place where dissent and open=20 > and frank discussion is discouraged and everyone "plays nice". Hence=20 > why I left. >=20 >=20 > > I am really loathe to start banning people from > > the list, as I think it can be a slippery slope >=20 > BWAHAHAHA! Thank God someone finally said it... >=20 > > If people leave, the > > value of the list diminishes. >=20 > Hear that, Mladen? We're not "people". That's why the value has not=20 > diminished for our leaving. And others. It wasn't just us. >=20 > > implications is that the list, somehow, has a value and that the list > > administrator has a duty to protect the "value" from the bad guys like > > yours truly. >=20 > In other words: toe the line or your value goes. Perfectly in character= =20 > for that lot. >=20 > > This > > is becoming eerily similar to scientology, with the word of L. Ellison = in > > place of the word of L. Ron. Same hysteric reactions seen from the > > priests in Scientology can also be seen on the list. >=20 > Hint: what makes you think it's not being inspired by EXACTLY and=20 > precisely the same thought process? >=20 > > This priesthood thing, of course, has a $$ sign written all over it, ju= st > > like the other "priesthood" casts. It's an attempt to monopolize the > > consulting because such a monopoly could make money for the cast member= s. >=20 > Typical Accenture politics. That's why they were mocked and reduced to= =20 > nothing here in Australia after many well publicized dishonest "audits"= =20 > by Arthur Andersen. Changing the name didn't change the flies. >=20 > > oracle-l. Now, it seems to be the time to leave oracle-l to the "valued > > members" and go with LinkedIn again. Apparently, LinkedIn doesn't have = to > > "protect value" for the shareholders. I think I will leave the new chur= ch > > of Oraclelogy all by itself. >=20 > See ya there. There are other places too, but I won't go into it.=20 > LinkedIn is more than enough. Personally, I think linkedin is worse. The vast majority of the replies to= articles are some variant of "great article!" or sometimes incoherent ramb= lings just to get noticed. I don't mind getting skills rating - from you g= uys, it actually means something, most are useless, often pandering. Of co= urse, most of the articles are just blather from people who think they have= to publish or perish. Even with the rare rough diamond, it's still diffic= ult to take seriously. The whole thing is tinged with the crappy marketing= it engenders. I think all of this illustrates there is simply less relation between thoug= htful and informative conversation and the particular forum/format than man= y would like to believe. Get the right people together and the forum succe= eds in spite of any failings. Get some cabal going and at least on some le= vel it is a fail. And it seems all fora have life cycles. All we want is a place to help, learn and communicate, right? You'd think = that is like asking for world peace. jg --=20 @home.com is bogus. http://gulfnews.com/business/sectors/technology/oracle-tops-the-s-p-500-lea= derboard-1.1475803