Re: Instant DBA

On Monday, April 28, 2014 9:05:21 AM UTC-4, ddf wrote:
> On Monday, April 28, 2014 4:53:12 AM UTC-6, Noons wrote:
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> > On 27/04/2014 2:11 AM, Mladen Gogala wrote:
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> > > against that The "certification" industry is a huge money milking cow and
> > > while honest in general, there are some companies on the fringes which
> > > are trying to deceive both the candidates and the employers, with some
> > > success.
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> > Let's not forget who started the whole ball rolling with the
> > "certification" industry: Oracle themselves. Yes, even the "fringe"
> > ones were helped and "blessed" by Oracle. Still are. No matter what.
> > > references" - in PL/SQL. Another guy told me that "EXCEPTION WHEN OTHERS
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> > > THEN NULL;" is an excellent way of "avoiding errors". I wish Tom Kyte was
> > > there to see that.
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> > Hehehe! Love that one!
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> > > doing the actual DBA work. DBA personnel comes from either a long work as
> > > a developer or a long work as a system administrator. There is n
> > > shortcut. OCP is not a guarantee that you will succeed. It is just a
> > > crutch used by HR people which is not all that important after th
> > > inflation of titles. Experience is irreplaceable and is what
> > > distinguishes a good DBA from the cheat. DBA also works with people and
> > > if there are holes in the understanding of the DBA job or knowledge of
> > > the technology, the DBA will be found out and fired. Yee who are reading
> > > this group, do not fall for this "instant DBA" craze, ruin thy career and
> > > waste thine hard earned monies on obvious deceits like "Sunit Labs" and
> > > alike. For goodness sake, those people do not even speak English!
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> > Amen!
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> I cannot count the number of candidates who thought 'OCP' spelled "GOD" with respect to being an Oracle DBA. I, too, have fielded a number of ridiculous answers to serious questions and, yes, I truly wish I had written them down. Yes, Oracle Corporation opened the door back with 7.3 but I do remember a requirement for certification that stated no less than 5 years of field experience was required to take the tests. It was an effort to recognize those who worked in the trenches and didn't possess an IT degree as Oracle professionals. Soon afterwards it became a 'game' of Oracle coursework and passing the tests with no requirement whatsoever of actual experience. This is where we are today, which is why the OCM program was started to 'prove' a candidate KNOWS what he or she is doing. It's still a game, however, of money and time, not of experience. Even the OCM 'exams' can be cheated through, I expect, using the infamous 'brain dumps' which Oracle does consider as cheating (how many 'cheaters' Oracle has 'defrocked', if any, is a mystery).
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> How can one be an 'Oracle Certified Professional' if one has no job? Most of these 'OCP's' have no experience with the database and have never worked in the industry, period, much less as a DBA. Yet the ARE OCP (Oracle says so) which does a grave disservice to those of us who have spend decades in the trenches.
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> I agree with Mladen that these rampant spam-vertisements, made possible by Google Groups and their policy to allow posting via email, should be ignored. We can't stop them no matter what we do -- complaining to Google Groups by labeling them as SPAM does no good as we still get this crap in bucket loads. I long for the days of deja-news, when an account was required for posting privileged. Alas those days are gone for good.
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> A Swedish saying that I particularly like is "The best helping hand you will find is at the end of your own arm." Modern day OCPs don't realize or understand this and expect others to give them the answers so that they, too, can become OCPs. These grist mills of exam prep feed this mentality and make it grow and fester, undermining the accomplishments of those who, like us, have WORKED to get where we are. The quest for the 'almighty dollar' wins again, and the rest of us lose mightily because of it.
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> David Fitzjarrell

Look on the bright side. If you ever change jobs you are likely to be coming in to replace and clean-up from an 'instant' DBA. Just think how much fun that will be!

HTH -- Mark D Powell -- Received on Tue Apr 29 2014 - 23:52:02 CEST