Re: Virtual Databases

From: Justin Mungal <justin_at_n0de.ws>
Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 11:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <67fc127c-95c8-4df0-a7ad-b14ea784c403_at_googlegroups.com>



On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:05:43 PM UTC-5, joel garry wrote:
> On May 20, 7:24 pm, Justin Mungal <jus..._at_n0de.ws> wrote:
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> > On Monday, May 20, 2013 9:03:02 PM UTC-5, Mladen Gogala wrote:
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> > > On Mon, 20 May 2013 09:20:31 -0700, joel garry wrote:
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> > > > Maybe I'm not following you, but they have to pay for a full license for
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> > > > that other box (at least if they are running the instance).
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> > > Who are "they"? I have worked for a company who was running several
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> > > standby databases and underwent a license audit by Oracle Corp. without
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> > > having to pay for an instance. I'm aware of such interpretations, but
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> > > the EE license explicitly says that a physical standby is included.
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> > >http://docs.oracle.com/cd/B28359_01/license.111/b28287.pdf
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> > > That means that you don't have to pay for the standby. If you had to
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> > > pay for the standby, then the license inclusion would be senseless. However,
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> > > I am aware of the fact that different Oracle sales organizations do things
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> > > differently, even toward the different clients. There are other, conflicting
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> > > documents, which ensure enough mess so that the sales reps can interpret
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> > > things as they like it. Here is one such document:
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> > >http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/data-recovery-licensing-07...
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> > > That changes the calculation significantly. However, this is not applied
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> > > consistently as the customers are already crying foul.
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> > > --
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> > > Mladen Gogala
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> > > The Oracle Whisperer
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> > >http://mgogala.byethost5.com
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> > Hi Mladen,
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> > You need to have a full license for standby systems. The EE license includes a physical standby license because Data Guard is a part of the EE license, but that doesn't mean the license includes installing EE on another server in a standby configuration.
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> > Please take a look at page 21 of the Software Investment Guide:http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/sig-070616.pdf
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> > Oracle very carefully defines the following DR strategies: Backup, Failover, Standby, and Remote Mirroring. You can see the licensing requirements for them on page 20 and 21 of the Software Investment Guide.
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> > The data recovery licensing document you linked also confirms this in the standby section:
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> > " If the primary database fails, a standby database can be activated to be the new primary database. In this environment, the primary and the standby databases must be fully licensed. "
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> > I hope this helps.
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> > Justin
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> I think it also matters whether Active Dataguard is being used, and
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> whether older licenses are grandfathered. I suspect the latter is why
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> Mladen has seen places pass an audit, as you used to be able to run a
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> standby and test it for up to ten days a year, or some such thing.
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> Advice to newbies for new systems needs to be current, of course.
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> People going into existing systems need to know enough not to shoot
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> themselves in the various lower extremities. One take-away is to
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> always save current electronic docs when the contract is signed, as it
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> is easy to change bits.
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> And that's why you need lawyers.
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> jg
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> _at_home.com is bogus.
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> http://hihi.elmer.org/images/bloomcounty.2.

Ah, yes... good point about grandfathered licenses. That makes sense.

Software licensing is one of those things I wish I didn't have to know about... Received on Tue May 21 2013 - 20:24:49 CEST

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