Re: The Revenge of the Geeks

From: Arne Vajh°j <>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:37:18 -0500
Message-ID: <51018d71$0$289$>

On 1/24/2013 2:31 PM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
> On 01/23/2013 09:13 PM, Arne Vajh°j wrote:

>> On 1/23/2013 4:25 AM, Arved Sandstrom wrote:
>>> On 01/23/2013 02:21 AM, BGB wrote:
>>>> On 1/22/2013 11:33 PM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> Yes, it is a shame that Oracle runs Java but Sun wasn't so great at it
>>>>> either.  Both pushed for high cost, high complexity "enterprise
>>>>> edition"
>>>>> libraries that come and go like fashion but dragged their feet on
>>>>> streamlining the language itself.
>>>> much agreed...
>>>> the lack of "streamlining" of the core language is admittedly one of my
>>>> bigger complaints about Java at present.
>>>> this is along with what few new features are added to the core language
>>>> (and to the JVM) are IMO far too often via ugly hacks.
>>> I'm not too worried about Java the language being close to stagnant, so
>>> long as library development is up to par. Because if the solution I've
>>> selected includes the JVM, then often Scala or Clojure are better
>>> choices for high-productivity coding. Myself I don't care if Java the
>>> language ever gets updated again - it's not important. The innovation
>>> shifted away from Java the language years ago; there are better JVM
>>> options now.

>> I am a bit skeptical about that as a general approach.

>> If the situation were that Java programs were almost always correct
>> but that what took time was writing all the boilerplate code, then
>> switching to Scala would be an obvious choice.

>> But I don't see that. I see a large portion of Java developers not
>> mastering Java and switching them to Scala would be one big
>> fucking disaster.
> As a general approach I'd have to agree. OTOH for the unknown percentage
> of Java programmers who are actually competent, which is the group I had
> in mind, there are tasks that are best done in another JVM language. The
> interop for Clojure<=>Java and Scala<=>Java is pretty good.
> For the incompetent group they shouldn't be programming at all.

I agree.

But that means nothing.

Because they still do.

Arne Received on Thu Jan 24 2013 - 20:37:18 CET

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