Re: Sorry, but...

From: onedbguru <>
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:21:55 -0800 (PST)
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On Jan 3, 6:38 pm, Noons <> wrote:
> if you spent 9.5 million administering systems, you are a blithering
> idiot and using EM won't change a thing...

You are kidding, right?!?!?!... I would have to categorically disagree with you here... Maybe you haven't worked in a real shop before... :) Having worked in "that" data center prior to them using EM, I can say that it is a far cry from what that they did have. In a data center with as many targets as they have, SAVING 9.5M is a BIG deal in licensing cost and even personnel cost. They have more than quadrupled the number of targets from when I was there 6-7 years ago. Operations cost in a data center of that size is pretty amazing. 8000 targets with > 2000 databases takes a LOT of human resources. Back then they had 3rd party tools that charged a lot more than they were worth. I am not sure what is their platform of choice now (it was OpenVMS, AIX and HPUX), but I can probably bet it ain't a single-core windows server. Have you paid for a HPUX or AIX license recently ? Multiplied by 8000? And the hardware maintenance costs?.. 9.5M is just a drop in that bucket.

9.5M doesn't seem so great now does it? With savings like that, they can employ more people (sys admin's, DBA's, operations support, application support, power substation support) , buy more servers, incur more licensing costs, take on more customers etc etc etc. So, I wouldn't be so hasty in your disparaging remarks there...

I have also worked for a company that was in the top 10 corporate customers for Oracle licensing. Believe me, data centers of this size, you will spend much more in licensing cost than you can imagine.

I would add that if you paid for EM or the tuning/diag pack, you are an idiot. It is something you cannot not install and it is not something that can be removed and it uses your resources whether or not you "pay" for it. These tools are an integral part of the database engine that cannot be separated. IMHO, Anything that cannot be removed should be included in your licensing. Period. Received on Tue Jan 03 2012 - 22:21:55 CST

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