Re: oracle has customers over a barrel
From: joel garry <joel-garry_at_home.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <598e4f69-7aba-41b5-8027-38a6c9688160_at_l35g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
On Sep 11, 6:37 am, Mark D Powell <Mark.Pow..._at_eds.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 7:52 am, Serge Rielau <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Captain Pedantic wrote:
>
> > > "Serge Rielau" <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> > >news:7guq1bF2r6kklU1_at_mid.individual.net...
> > >> DBA wrote:
> > >>>http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_38/b4147052120632.htm
> > >> There are those who bicker and those who act.
> > >> So many new friends these days. :-)
> > >>http://www.channeldb2.com/video/enabling-applications-from
>
> > > DB2 supports Oracle SQL PL/SQL out of the box?
> > > Really?
> > > DB2 the mainframe database ...?
>
> > DB2 9.7 for LUW, yes, not all of it, but enough to do "exception based"
> > tweaks rather than redesign.
> > In the coming fixpack we'll even do BULK COLLECT and FORRALL.
> > There is a developerworks article written by myself outlining what's
> > supported:http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0907ora...
>
> > Cheers
> > Serge
> > --
> > Serge Rielau
> > SQL Architect DB2 for LUW
> > IBM Toronto Lab
>
> From past experience IBM has made changes where we had to pay license
> charges to keep using features that were bundled in some of our
> existing IBM products prior to upgrades on our mainframe so IBM is no
> angel. Nor is DB2 cheap. DB2 is available to run on Linux and I
> believe on some other platforms as well.
>
> As far as the claim in the article that mySQL is a competitor to
> Oracle (or DB2 or SQL Server for that matter) it just really is not
> true. Mission Criticial systems do not run on mySQL. If you need
> ACID compliant systems you have to obtain a database engine to run
> under mySQL. There are several available. Add an additional layer of
> licensing and support. Nor is mySQL free for commercial use.
>
> IMHO -- Mark D Powell --
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <598e4f69-7aba-41b5-8027-38a6c9688160_at_l35g2000pra.googlegroups.com>
On Sep 11, 6:37 am, Mark D Powell <Mark.Pow..._at_eds.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 7:52 am, Serge Rielau <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Captain Pedantic wrote:
>
> > > "Serge Rielau" <srie..._at_ca.ibm.com> wrote in message
> > >news:7guq1bF2r6kklU1_at_mid.individual.net...
> > >> DBA wrote:
> > >>>http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_38/b4147052120632.htm
> > >> There are those who bicker and those who act.
> > >> So many new friends these days. :-)
> > >>http://www.channeldb2.com/video/enabling-applications-from
>
> > > DB2 supports Oracle SQL PL/SQL out of the box?
> > > Really?
> > > DB2 the mainframe database ...?
>
> > DB2 9.7 for LUW, yes, not all of it, but enough to do "exception based"
> > tweaks rather than redesign.
> > In the coming fixpack we'll even do BULK COLLECT and FORRALL.
> > There is a developerworks article written by myself outlining what's
> > supported:http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/data/library/techarticle/dm-0907ora...
>
> > Cheers
> > Serge
> > --
> > Serge Rielau
> > SQL Architect DB2 for LUW
> > IBM Toronto Lab
>
> From past experience IBM has made changes where we had to pay license
> charges to keep using features that were bundled in some of our
> existing IBM products prior to upgrades on our mainframe so IBM is no
> angel. Nor is DB2 cheap. DB2 is available to run on Linux and I
> believe on some other platforms as well.
>
> As far as the claim in the article that mySQL is a competitor to
> Oracle (or DB2 or SQL Server for that matter) it just really is not
> true. Mission Criticial systems do not run on mySQL. If you need
> ACID compliant systems you have to obtain a database engine to run
> under mySQL. There are several available. Add an additional layer of
> licensing and support. Nor is mySQL free for commercial use.
>
> IMHO -- Mark D Powell --
If you are a flickr or a google or a wannabe, your mission critical system may not require ACID. It's possible these kinds of companies don't always properly analyze when ACID _is_ required - mission critical (ie, serve users info) does not always mean run-the-business (get someones money). I know I've seen things go wrong where money transactions are involved. No excuse for that. Using a technology because you have the expertise in it is stupid if it is the wrong technology.
mysql a competitor to Oracle? Technically, no, but business analysis doesn't put all that much, er, stock in the technical issues.
jg
-- _at_home.com is bogus. http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/sep/10/bn10-911call-fatal-crash/?metro&zIndex=163775Received on Fri Sep 11 2009 - 12:18:36 CDT