Re: Help required - URGENT PLS

From: Charles Hooper <>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 07:29:36 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <>

There are issues with the original post: 1. The writing style of this "Palooka" <> differs significantly from posts made previously in this group by a person also using "Palooka" <>. See below. 2. The OP is apparently under the impression that the people participating this group work for Oracle support, or are on-call 24x7 for urgent problems (URGENT tag in the subject line).
3. The version of Oracle used by the OP was not disclosed.
4. The operating system used by the OP was not disclosed.
5. The alert log messages related to the error were not disclosed.
6. The OP did not state what changes may have been made leading up to
this issue.
7. The OP apparently made little or no effort to troubleshoot the problem, at least that is the impression from the post (troubleshooting steps not listed).
8. Instant messaging speak "U", "PLS", all capital letters were used (top-posting has yet to be determined as the OP did not reply yet).

The above are the reasons why I did not respond to this post roughly 12 hours ago.

I suspect that Sybrand's intention with his post was to encourage people to provide sufficient information when reporting problems so that the problems made be addressed efficiently. That intention, however, is almost completely lost due to the words he selected in his reply. The words were rather harsh, which should have been specific to the individual, rather than the individual's apparent community (I am not sure if this would be considered racism or a gross over generalization).

Writing style differences, "Palooka" vs. "Palooka": "hpuxrac wrote:
> Reasonable designs for a relational database are done using ERD's and
> 3nf.

Agreed in priciple, as a logical design. But when transposing the logical design into a physical one, it might be sensible to normalise further in some selected areas for application flexibility, and/or to
denormalise (carefully) in others for performance. IMHO though, each such change should be considered carefully, and a justification documented.
Just my 2c.
Palooka" "joel garry wrote:
> A few SECONDS of google:
> et cetera.

Why should he waste precious seconds on Google, when people here will do
his work for nothing?

From the above quotes, it should be easy to see that the Palooka who has contributed to this group in the past is likely not the same Palooka who was the OP in this thread. Palooka's comment in the second of the above quotes suggests that he understands that searches (and research) should be performed prior to posting, rather than dumping problems on group members (the context of the quote may not make that easy to see), while the OP in this thread apparently does not subscribe to the same line of reasoning.

Flame war avoided, or too late?

Charles Hooper
IT Manager/Oracle DBA
K&M Machine-Fabricating, Inc. Received on Sat Jan 10 2009 - 09:29:36 CST

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