Re: irrevelant with this group but i really need help (About bringing a suit against Oracle University Turkey)

From: Bora Yuret <>
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:51:43 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <>

The document is in Turkish Mr.Morgan, so i did not put it here.

Oracle University Turkey Country Manager(Gokhan Uguroglu), still insists on that Oracle does not allow Express Edition to use for educations. He says that you can use XE only for the education of third-party applications, not for directly database education.

But Mr.Townsend's statements are of course more important for me. I will tell these statement to OUT's country manager.

Today i talked to my lawyer, and he will send OUT tomorroy a warning to stop threats. My lawyer was surprised too, "you help them to sell their products by providing education, but they threaten you to stop educations, am i right?" he asked.

I wrote here what OUT has just written to me. It is not very difficult for OUT's country manager to read here and provide an answer if i am wrong. I phoned him to notify about this discussion, but he did not answer. What can i do else?

I will write here the results of or case with Oracle University Turkey.

HedefBilgi Bilisim Akademisi

On Jan 2, 6:30 pm, DA Morgan <> wrote:
> Bora Yuret wrote:
> > No,
> > Never signed a non-compete aggreement with Oracle University Turkey.
> > And never signed anything with them. I was only a contractor
> > instructor. And i have never been an employee of Oracle Turkey.
> > The documentation is Sideris courseware(, i
> > did not write. I was the instructor of OUT for 4 years, so i know the
> > rules well. I have never copied any Oracle documentation, and did not
> > use slides, labs, etc. Sideris provides all of them for me.
> > I only use Oracle Database XE, and they tell me that it is a crime to
> > use XE without the authorization of Oracle Turkey. But i do not think
> > so. I can not just understand Oracle University Turkey. I am helping
> > people to learn Oracle Database, and when they finished the education,
> > they want to work with Oracle products. This is a benefit for Oracle
> > Turkey, not crime.
> > But they still want to stop my educations. But with your help, i
> > understood that it is legal to use Oracle Database XE for my
> > educations. So there is no problem. The court will give the right
> > decision.
> > Again very thanks for your help,
> > Bora YÜRET
> > HedefBilgi Bilisim Akademisi
> > (
> > On Jan 2, 3:19 am, DA Morgan <> wrote:
> >> Bora Yuret wrote:
> >>> Thanks for your answer,
> >>> I think the problem is being an alternative for Oracle University
> >>> Turkey educations.
> >>> I got a warning form Oracle Turkey's lawyer that i was using Oracle
> >>> database without license
> >>> and i was using Oracle education courseware.
> >>> But i am using Oracle Database XE for the database and using Sideris
> >>> courseware for my educations.
> >>> I also think that the problem is another thing. But i do not know
> >>> what. They only warned me that i couldn't use
> >>> Oracle Database for my educations. And i wondered if it was forbidden
> >>> to use Oracle Database XE without license.
> >>> the problem is about Gokhan Uguroglu, the manager of Oracle University
> >>> Turkey.
> >>> He doesn't allow any companies to provide Oracle educations except two
> >>> company.
> >>> But i do not know to whom i can complaint about him.
> >>> So i decided to go to Court about this subject.
> >>> Thanks for your help,
> >>> Bora YURET
> >>> HedefBilgi Bilisim Akademisi
> >>> (
> >>> On 31 Aralık 2007, 03:48, wrote:
> >>>> You can definitely use XE to deliver training. It's one of the reasons
> >>>> we provided it. I agree with Howard - I assume that the specific
> >>>> problem that OUT is having is not with the use of XE, but with
> >>>> something else. If it is specifically XE, then send me the relevant
> >>>> details at my alter ego, and I will sort it out.
> >> The question of whether someone can or can not use XE has been clearly
> >> spelled out in the wording of Oracle's XE license posted here, posted in
> >> the Informix forum, and posted on Oracle's site.
> >> It appears that this real issue is something else entirely. Did you sign
> >> a non-compete agreement with Oracle? A simple yes or no will suffice to
> >> answer the question of what is actually going on.
> >> --
> >> Daniel A. Morgan
> >> Oracle Ace Director & Instructor
> >> University of Washington
> >> (replace x with u to respond)
> >> Puget Sound Oracle Users
> Every document on Oracle's website related to XE licensing, and every
> statement by Oracle VP Mark Townsend clearly states that XE can be used
> for training.
> Assuming everything you've said is the truth, I note you still have not
> made the actual doc available for us to read, then send Oracle U a copy
> of their own licensing docs, the statements by their own VP, and ignore
> them or, better yet, hire an attorney to send them a letter telling them
> to stop it.
> I still have doubts you are giving an accurate accounting of the facts
> given you have not made the correspondence public so your statements
> can be verified.
> --
> Daniel A. Morgan
> Oracle Ace Director & Instructor
> University of Washington
> (replace x with u to respond)
> Puget Sound Oracle Users
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