Re: why administrator refuse to give permission on PLUSTRACE

From: DA Morgan <damorgan_at_psoug.org>
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 23:38:43 -0800
Message-ID: <1195457917.38833@bubbleator.drizzle.com>

Galen Boyer wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007, damorgan_at_psoug.org wrote:
>> Galen Boyer wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007, damorgan_at_psoug.org wrote:
>>>> Hasta wrote:
>>>>> In article <1194284665.769857_at_bubbleator.drizzle.com>,
>>>>> damorgan_at_psoug.org says...
>>>>>> Hasta wrote:

>>>>>>> In article <1194206398.972648_at_bubbleator.drizzle.com>,
>>>>>>> damorgan_at_psoug.org says...

>>>>>>>> My point was that while the developers here seemed more than
>>>>>>>> willing to point fingers at incompetent DBAs from my experience
>>>>>>>> the developers are equally guilty of not keeping their skills
>>>>>>>> current. Not more so ...  equally so.

>>>>>>> Well, honnestly, I haven't seen a lot of developpers in this
>>>>>>> group claiming that dbas are generally incompetent.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have seen them claiming that a dba is unlikely to find the
>>>>>>> root cause of an application problem alone, for reasons that
>>>>>>> are very understandable and unrelated to his/her competency.

>>>>>> You are dissembling. Identifying root causes on a production
>>>>>> server is a core competency of the DBA job in the vast majority of
>>>>>> organizations.
>>>>> A good dba can certainly find one cause in the causal chain.
>>>>> However, he does not know the specifications of the components
>>>>> of the system. Without a specification, he cannot identify with
>>>>> certaincy the root component that is misbehaving.
>>>> Then he or she is incompetent and should be trained or replaced.
>>> So, while this replacement is considered, how is the problem to
>>> be
>>> figured out?
>> If you can't figure out how to get a qualified DBA in one hour
>> contact me. I can get you one in that much time during normal
>> business hours.
> 
> The management that does the hiring does not know Daniel Morgan.  They
> have a problem they want solved.  What exactly are they supposed to do
> again?

So they turn to a developer who doesn't know what to do with DBA privs and turn them loose in prod. This makes sense to you?

Still waiting to hear from you your methodology for identifying issues in a production database.

BTW: If your management is capable of using google.com they are capable of finding me, Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Jeremiah Wilton, and many others.

But turn loose in prod, with DBA privs, someone that doesn't have a methodology? I would hope not.

-- 
Daniel A. Morgan
Oracle Ace Director & Instructor
University of Washington
damorgan_at_x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org

Received on Mon Nov 19 2007 - 01:38:43 CST