Re: why administrator refuse to give permission on PLUSTRACE

From: DA Morgan <damorgan_at_psoug.org>
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:21:49 -0800
Message-ID: <1194236506.222082@bubbleator.drizzle.com>

Galen Boyer wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Nov 2007, sybrandb_at_hccnet.nl wrote:

>> On 3 Nov 2007 09:29:03 -0500, Galen Boyer <galen_boyer_at_yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A thoroughly qualified DBA is something I'd rather have.  I don't want
>>> to be on the production system.
>> You'd better ask for a qualified DBA in development.

>
> Well, that is the issue, now isn't it? The issue is that DBAs are not
> part of the development cycle. Its the way the application coding world
> has been set up.

You are very very wrong. I don't know what country you are in or what your experiences have been but in my world ... 2007 Seattle Washington USA, that is just not true. We have, in many if not most shops, designated Development DBAs. I know that for a fact because I was one for many years.

Sitting around waiting for a system to burn itself to the ground so that I could have a few minutes of glory restoring from backup never appealed to me.

>> The general issue is most developers are completely unaware of
>> database internals, and there is no DBA available to guide them.  Once
>> the application has been thrown over the wall, it requires a
>> pathologist to discover why the app has deceased.  

>
> If communication between DBAs and developers was a constant requirement,
> this would not be the case.

We see this with System Admins too. DBAs and developers know very little about things like zoning switches creating LUNs and because that systems suffer.

This is another place where I place the fault, if fault is the word to use, on management. They create artificial silos and then wonder why their IT folks don't work cooperatively as a team.

-- 
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan_at_x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org

Received on Sun Nov 04 2007 - 22:21:49 CST