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Re: why administrator refuse to give permission on PLUSTRACE

From: Marc Blum <>
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:06:12 +0100
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:35:53 -0700, DA Morgan <> wrote:

>Marc Blum wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:11:51 -0700, DA Morgan <> wrote:
>>> Here I agree and I will go one step further. No developer should ever
>>> have access to a production database except as an end-user utilizing the
>>> application. I've yet to see a legitimate reason for any developer to
>>> have production access privs.
>> Maybe because there's some urgent issue to be solved, maybe production ist
>> coming to a grinding halt and there's a need for someone who knows the
>> requirements and the implementation and the technology to get rid of the issue
>> NOW! Production DBAs fail in the first and second point.
>Great generalities. But lets pursue this. You are that developer. What
>privileges do you require? What are you going to do? Lets see specifics.
>I am really interested in hearing from any developer that thinks they
>can justify this.
> From my perspective ... the applicatoin came to a grinding halt. What is
>step #1? In my book it is determine what came to a halt. Was it the
>application running on a client? The developer use useless. Was it a
>network router or hub? The developer is useless. Was it a storage
>related issue? The developer is useless. Did the server crash at the
>operating system or instance level? The developer is useless. Anyone
>that is a developer want to demonstrate their skill in addressing this
>specific issue "production ist coming to a grinding halt" and tell me
>what they would do. Thanks.

You are extremely focused onto the "low level" layers of the application stack.

Things don't work this way. Received on Sat Nov 03 2007 - 05:06:12 CDT

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