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Re: IBM and Oracle - Let's Rrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuumbbbbbbbbbbleeeeeeee

From: DA Morgan <damorgan_at_psoug.org>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:04:17 -0700
Message-ID: <1178553856.782742@bubbleator.drizzle.com>


Serge Rielau wrote:

> DA Morgan wrote:

>> Data Cruncher wrote:
>>> http://www.physorg.com/news97246418.html
>>>
>>> Officials at IBM are throwing verbal haymakers at Oracle as Big Blue
>>> touts its successes in the database market.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The two database heavyweights alternated between offensive and
>>> defensive postures recently after IBM questioned Oracle's claims of
>>> database dominance.
>>>
>>> "The rapid adoption of DB2 9 would seem to call their claims into
>>> question and analysts are starting to question their numbers as
>>> well," said Bernie Spang, director of IBM data servers.
>>>
>>> He cited commentary by Philip Howard of UK-based Bloor Research, who
>>> noted that when reporting Oracle's results for the third quarter of
>>> fiscal year 2007, CEO Larry Ellison said new license revenues for the
>>> database and middleware division grew 17 percent.
>>>
>>> However, Ellison also noted the middleware portion had grown roughly
>>> 80 percent, which Howard argued indicates a slow down in the growth
>>> of Oracle's database portfolio.
>>>
>>> In an interview with eWEEK, Howard said increased competition not
>>> just from IBM but from a number of vendors, has affected sales of 10g.
>>>
>>> "11g may make a difference compared to DB2 but probably not versus
>>> SQL Server, Netezza and EnterpriseDB - as these all compete as much
>>> on lower TCO and reduced administration as on features and
>>> performance," Howard said.
>>>
>>> But for Oracle's part, company officials are not breaking much of a
>>> sweat, and are convinced the company's hold on the database market is
>>> not slipping.
>>>
>>> "There's no doubt about that," said Willie Hardie, Oracle vice
>>> president of database product marketing.
>>>
>>> Hardie pointed to a study by IDC that included estimated 2006 revenue
>>> totals from the five biggest relational database management system
>>> providers and had Oracle in the top spot with a 44.4 percent of the
>>> market. IBM was second with 21.2 percent.
>>>
>>> According to IDC, those figures represent a growth of 14.7 and 11.9
>>> percent between 2005 and 2006 for Oracle and IBM, respectively.
>>>
>>> "There's always going to be competitors in the market," Hardie said.
>>> "An organization like Oracle continues to do business with its
>>> extensive install-base."
>>>
>>> The IDC study did not include features sold by vendors as separation
>>> options and did not break out subscription and maintenance revenue,
>>> which can obscure the true growth rate of a vendor's database license
>>> sales.
>>>
>>> IBM's Spang said the $4.3 billion in revenue earned by the company's
>>> software segment in the first quarter of fiscal 2007 was driven
>>> largely by sales of the DB2 9 Viper data server.
>>>
>>> "The volume of new DB2 customers since we launched DB2 9 last July
>>> has exceeded all expectations," he said. "We have seen literally
>>> thousands of new customers in that timeframe - and a large percentage
>>> of those are migrations from Oracle."
>>>
>>> However, Forrester Research analyst Noel Yuhanna disputed IBM's
>>> claims of how aggressively the market is adopting DB2.
>>>
>>> "I think we have seen less aggressive movement with IBM DB2," he
>>> said, adding that he thinks IBM has not aggressively marketed DB2.
>>> "Oracle still rules the world."
>>>
>>> Spang strongly disagreed.
>>>
>>> "I would also say that the large numbers of new customers - backed up
>>> by our earnings - support the claims that our marketing strategy has
>>> been right on target," he said.
>>
>> In other words ... we don't know anything more than we did before we
>> read this.
>>
>> But for those who have to pay their mortgage and feed their families
>> the only metrics that matter are those that can be found at:
>> www.dice.com.
>>
>> As of 6 May, 2007:
>> =========================
>> DB2 3,419 8.9%
>> Informix 452 1.2%
>> Oracle 17,861 46.7%
>> SQL Server 14,171 37.0%
>> Sybase 2,355 6.2%
>> =========================
>>
>> If these aren't the numbers you're looking at you aren't paying
>> attention to putting the kids through college and your retirement.
>> Small comfort to remember your product loyalty to a particular brand
>> when living off your Social Security check.
> Following that logic we should be working for WalMart to get your kids 
> safely through college .... lotsa greeters needed - always.
> 
> Cheers
> Serge

If they paid more than what I do now you'd be absolutely right. <g>

I don't work 12+ hours a day because of my deep love of living the life of Dilbert.

-- 
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan_at_x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org
Received on Mon May 07 2007 - 11:04:17 CDT

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