Re: Another oracle resource goes down the drain

On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:06:27 -0700, Noons wrote:

> On Apr 6, 5:11 am, Mladen Gogala <mgogala.SPAM-ME...._at_verizon.net>
> wrote:

>>
>> > As for oracle-l, however, I do dislike the fact that it has morped
>> > into a non-stop series of questions that should be fired off at an
>> > Oracle Support tech in their first-line support organization. Posters
>> > on that list pay a LOT of money to Oracle for support but don't use
>> > it. Now that fact alone would be an interesting thread.
>>
>> Unfortunately, it is not on oracle-l, where the iron hand of moral
>> majority rules, it is here, on an unmoderated forum.
>>
>>

I am aware of that. Jared didn't really want to moderate and he handed the list to the first taker. Steve was it. On the other hand, Steve enforces what he understands to be a good behavior to the level that I find not only prickly but plain stupid. It doesn't matter where did it start, he obviously has a totalitarian streak which he doesn't use to enforce technological discipline or level of posting but to enforce his own understanding of what the world should really be like. I guess nobody expected an Australian inquisition. Their two main weapons are surprise, ruthlessness and almost fanatical devotion to the Pope. Their THREE.....

> Having said that, I also got suspended for a week
> for missing a reply he sent me on an email address I use only as spam
> bait. That, I considered at the time, a bit over the top. But everyone
> is entitled to a bad call, so I let it go.

Again, nobody expected Australian inquisition. I guess that is what happens when one stops working as an engineer and becomes a manager.

>
> So, here and the blogs is the good oil now, eh? :-) Ah well, might have
> to subscribe to this group once again: I got tired of the constant
> trolls by ignorant arseholes sponsored by Oracle consulting and other
> organisations.

I am leaning to the idea of organizing new mailing list. The idea is to have a list on which oracle professionals would exchange information.

>
> Maybe Jgar has got it right: form a moderated newsgroup in google, throw
> away anyone who trolls or gets abusive and make it noted that beginner's
> questions are not welcome.
>
> Then we got the problem of defining "beginner". Ah well, challenges!...

No, we do not. The concept is simplicity itself. You put in the preamble that the list purpose is to exchange information between professionals. Participants are expected to be professionals. If one dispenses advice of the kind Mark Brady did on the oracle-l, he can be cautioned or reprimanded by any established list member or a moderator. Protesting too loudly about that would entail removal from the list. My goal is to establish a new list. I hope that his list, under Larry, shall have a new birth of freedom and that moderators of the geeks, by the geeks shall not perish from the Internet.

>
> Which reminds me: came upon your mail to review an article from last
> year! I must apologize profusely and publicly for completely forgetting
> it. In my humble defence, all I can say is that at the time I was under
> a great stress workwise, which ultimately made me change jobs. It's
> been a roller-coaster ride since then. Which has taken away most of my
> free time!
>
> But please rest assured my slack behaviour is not a result of a snub on
> you: it's simply just plain old lack of time.

Noons, I know you for a long time. You're a good guy. I humbly apologize for sending you a large email before clearing that with you in advance. The mistake is all mine.

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