Re: Oracle Announces Upgrade to Oracle(r) SQL Developer

Preston wrote:
> joel garry wrote:
>
> >
> > Barry Bulsara wrote:
> > > tony_becky_mikey_verizon_news wrote:
> > > > Barry,
> > > > He (Daniel) has offered more for this group than all your
> > > > blathering.. SO either accept that he does NOT like people
> > > > posting garbage here, or move on..
> > > >
> > > > Your choice, I believe..
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sounds like double standards to me. Either you spam or you don't
> > > spam, not that some people are allowed to spam and others not.
> > > Barry
> >
> > If you recall the original Monty Python bit, the issue was Vikings
> > singing SPAM SPAM SPAM so loud the waitress couldn't give the menu
> > options. Daniel here is the waitress, not the Vikings. No double
> > standard there, when Daniel gives references to his PSOUG library,
> > it's just a pointer to a FAQ. And there is nothing wrong with a
> > brief .sig file, even if it is blatantly commercial. There is
> > nothing wrong with pointing out actual spam.
>
> Yes there is - a couple of things at least. Firstly, many ISPs & usenet
> feeds filter out spam at source so their users never have to see it.
> Unfortunately they don't filter out *replies* to spam, so all Daniel's
> replies achieve is to ensure many more people get to see the original
> post.

Well, some people are limited in which ISP's they can receive, and from what
I've seen, only people who cancel their posts aren't seen. And the fact that
people do cancel their posts and apologize means that it sometimes works.

>
> Secondly, telling spammers to apologise & post elsewhere is one of the
> most futile & pointless things you can do. The vast majority don't read
> replies to their posts/emails, & even if they did, they wouldn't take
> any notice of someone telling them what to do. So all it does is waste
> bandwidth & add to the number of pointless messages we have to download.

It depends. You are severely underestimating the power of "monkey-see, monkey-do." If spammers see that others are allowed to spam, they spam too. As Daniel
pointed out, this obviously doesn't apply to those who don't even read the group,
but they are not the target of the replies in question.

>
> If Daniel really wants to do something to combat spam, then he should
> concentrate on getting their websites/usenet/email accounts pulled
> rather than propogating their crap. E.g. I got fed up with that
> oraclexg.com idiot last year, so I got his website closed down. It was
> easy to do & took about 5 minutes - far less than the time Daniel's
> spent replying to his 'omlet' crap over the last few years. Far more
> frustrating for the spammer too, who has still failed to resurrect his
> site several months later.

You are a legend in your own mind.
He-who-should-not-be-mentioned-because-when-he-is-he-pops-up-again went through a period of switching domains, I must assume from your statement you missed all that. You think you got him shut down? There were a lot of people before you who tried in futility.
He finally gave up, apparently satisfied he proved his point, or maybe someone
simply got through to him, or maybe he went back on his meds, or maybe the
situation of the guy in South America who was going to publish the zero-day
exploits scared the poopoo out of him.

>
> I have asked Daniel in the past to stop replying to spammers & he
> hasn't taken any notice. I doubt he will this time either, which is a
> pity as he makes numerous excellent posts so I'm loathed to killfile
> him. Maybe one last request is worthwhile, so if you're reading this
> Daniel, please stop replying to them, & either ignore the spam, or do
> something about it 'off-list'.

It's TROLLS you shouldn't reply to. Spammers need to be shown the error of their ways. If it doesn't work, little harm done, when it does,
it's good. And if you don't like what Daniel posts, there's always killfiles.

jg

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