Re: newbie 2Ques- SQL procedure calling another proc and Select statement

From: HansF <Fuzzy.Greybeard_at_gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:21:40 GMT
Message-Id: <pan.2006.10.16.11.21.39.321758@gmail.com>

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:27:44 +0000, Mladen Gogala wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:20:29 +0000, HansF wrote:
>

>> Actually, many of the people will simply move over to another forum.

>
> Maybe there should be a beginner forum, where questions like that would
> be allowed? Unfortunately, people know that large number of experts is
> following this forum, you being one of them, and simply use this forum
> as an online manual.

There is. OTN's Discussion forum. And we're responding a lot with RTFM - but gently.

>> 
>> I agree with your basic sentiment that Sybrand performs a valuable service
>> by suggesting to people to search on their own.  Two comments:
>> 
>> 1) given that the raw body of documentation is over 70,000 pages now
>> across several dozen books, a plain RTFM could easily be accompanied by
>> some pointer as to which FM would be useful;

>
> Oh well, sometimes questions are straight from the concepts manual. I do
> expect people to have a basic knowledge.
>

Yup. And an appropriate response is "That information is in the Concepts manual." Slightly less intimidating than "Read the manual." which implies they need to wander through 70,000 pages.

>> 
>> 2) as compared to a generic FOAD attitude, a welcoming community will
>> develop an increased /useful, contributing/ membership, diminishing the
>> load on poor Sybrand.

>
> Do we want a generally welcoming community or do we expect a bit of
> knowledge on this group? I am not sure that there is a consensus about
> that. I don't feel like welcoming Omlet / TeraKnowledge dude in any
> shape or form.

Like any community, you isolate or banish those who don't fit. Unless your a religious nut, or small town bigot, you wait until they prove they don't fit.

>
> You probably remember my actions of similar nature on the oracle mailing
> list of which you were once a member. Steve Adams now keeps a tight reign
> on that group and general newbies are quickly taught about the desired
> attitude. I gave up general "go ahead, make may day" attitude because it
> was just too tiresome, but I do feel certain sympathy for Sybrand, despite
> his not always charming personality.

I do feel sympathy for Sybrand's cause - support it, and emulate it, in my way as well. However, I do not enjoy or condone his presentation style - he keeps making me think he's older than I am ... certainly grumpier, and that usually comes with age.

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