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Niall Litchfield wrote:
> hpuxrac wrote:
>> Mark Townsend wrote: >>> hpuxrac wrote: >>>> Charles Hooper wrote: >>>>> hpuxrac wrote: >>>>>> I just did an install of Oracle Standard Edition 10.2 on a linux >>>>>> centos >>>>>> 4.3 machine and created a database. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did acknowledge thru OEM that I was aware of the license >>>>>> requirements >>>>>> for the oracle packs ( configuration/diagnostic/tuning ). >>>>>> >>>>>> The database control comes up and yes indeed you can use the >>>>>> Performance tab, ADDM, etc on the standard edition database. >>>>>> >>> <Snip> >>> >>>>> I had the same experience with Oracle 10.2.0.2 Standard Edition on >>>>> Windows 2003 x64. The first time you log in as SYSMAN, you are given >>>>> the chance to disable the performance tuning pack and other features >>>>> that should not be an option for Standard Edition licenses. >>> <Snip> >>> >>>> Thanks I wasn't aware of that wrinkle. >>>> >>>> At the present time it seems like the first thing you "are supposed to >>>> do" with Standard Edition and the database control is to "rely on >>>> someone" to turn off these features before they are used. >>>> >>>> If you turn them off from the database control I wonder if the grid >>>> control somewhere else can still access those features. That would >>>> also probably be something that there's no way to be properly licensed. >>>> >>> Is there still an outstanding question here ? >> >> There were several. If you want a short recap here you go:
>> >> 1) Why does oracle ship the product with the options packs installed >> configured and ready to use when in fact one can never license those >> packs? >> >> a) is that a bug and should it be reported as such to oracle support? >> >> b) if it is not a bug then why is it done like that?
>> >> 2) Is the product properly designed so that it is fully functional >> without using any of the packs?
>> 3) What are the implications for any people who use grid control and >> have a set of enterprise edition and standard edition databases that >> they need to manage/monitor/support?
>> >> 4) Are there any potential legal implications for both oracle and >> oracle customers because oracle is shipping a product that has features >> enabled and ready to use that one cannot license?
>> >> That's probably a good set of items to start with. >>
I am far more optimistic than you. I think it likely Mark is a champion of our concern and just needs time to overcome internal opposition from other quarters.
I also think it likely his best friends will be in legal as I highly doubt an enforcement action based on ... we gave it to you enabled and you were supposed to disable it ... would get more than a laugh from most court systems.
But in the end ... refusing to sell to your customers that which they have demonstrated a willingness to pay for ... is rather un-Oracle.
-- Daniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan_at_x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) Puget Sound Oracle Users Group www.psoug.orgReceived on Sun Oct 15 2006 - 11:59:36 CDT