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Re: Oracle licence question

From: Tony Rogerson <tonyrogerson_at_sqlserverfaq.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:25:02 -0000
Message-ID: <dtqlfb$npp$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>


> are often built totally wrong. They are built to ignore the features in
> the database. As a result, the application often duplicates what comes at

What you mean - they use portable SQL as definied by the ANSI SQL standard, something Oracle doesn't do very well! Come on guys, catch up!! Talk about MS locking people in - LOL!

Personally, I hate portability and would rather take advantage of vendor extensions only to get the most out of the client's investment in the technology, but for 3rd part apps build cross platform....

> The cost of a perpetual license with unlimited free upgrades, unlimited
> free patches, and unlimited support calls (no matter how stoopid) also
> needs to be evaluated against a cheep initial license with every upgrade
> and every support call costing an arm and a leg. Again, rarely evaluated
> unless management has a clue.

Absolutely, with SQL Server service packs are free and available for download directly off the MS site without a support contract.

Support calls are refunded if its a bug, but even if its not a bug the incidents are cheap. There is a licence model for SQL Server that allows continued upgrade.

One thing you need to watch is staffing, costs for Oracle staff here in the UK are a lot higher than SQL Server ones, also, you tend to need more; also, the SQL Server professional has a more rounded experience to the business, often trained in Business Intelligence.

-- 
Tony Rogerson
SQL Server MVP
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"HansF" <News.Hans_at_telus.net> wrote in message 
news:pan.2006.02.25.21.03.39.206497_at_telus.net...

> On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:23:34 +0000, joebayer wrote:
>
>> Group,
>>
>> Oracle is so expensive, often time, managers chose SQL server over Oracle
>> only because of the expense, and it is sad to see all those new projects
>> go
>> to SQL server group. (Our shop do not do any in house software
>> development,
>> only vendor application, and all vendor applications support both Oracle
>> and
>> SQL)
>>
>
> Oracle is only expensive when an organization does not know what it is
> buying.
>
> IN general, Oracle Standard Edition will compete price- and feature- wise
> with SQL Server Enterprise Edition. There are exceptions, but often
> management (and the technical 'experts' who advise them - usually
> Microsoft bigots) do their 'fair evaluation' on the name of the product
> rather than the capabilities.
>
> Custom apps that use Oracle built to maintain 'vendor independence'
> are often built totally wrong. They are built to ignore the features in
> the database. As a result, the application often duplicates what comes at
> no added cost in the database - and that duplication has cost, and will
> continue to cost, in development and maintenance. SO you pay for the
> feature in Oracle, and then pay for someone to develop the feature.
>
> Aside from that, many managers have absolutely no clue that an application
> exit strategy is required, and that the exit strategy costs need to be
> included in the application cost.
>
> The cost of a perpetual license with unlimited free upgrades, unlimited
> free patches, and unlimited support calls (no matter how stoopid) also
> needs to be evaluated against a cheep initial license with every upgrade
> and every support call costing an arm and a leg. Again, rarely evaluated
> unless management has a clue.
>
>> I have one question here:
>>
>> Is it possible for us only to buy Oracle licence without paying for the
>> annual support? All I need is accessing metalink website, and my other
>> projects have already provided such access.
>>
>
> Yes it is possible to purchase without support. However, if you download
> patches using one metalink access and apply those patches to systems
> without support, you are probably in violation of several agreements.
>
>> Thanks for your comments or suggestions as how to make Oracle competitive
>> in
>> terms of price, what kind of option do I have here?
>
> Some options include using term licenses. After all, if management is not
> willing to do some serious cost analysis, chances are great that the
> application will be tossed in 2-3 years. So why license for lonmger than
> that period.
>
>
> --
> Hans Forbrich
> Canada-wide Oracle training and consulting
> mailto: Fuzzy.GreyBeard_at_gmail.com
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>
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