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Re: Recommended book for 8.x users who upgrade to 10?

From: Joel Garry <>
Date: 9 Jul 2004 13:30:06 -0700
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Daniel Morgan <> wrote in message news:<1089336732.708280_at_yasure>...
> NetComrade wrote:
> > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 06:32:42 -0700, Daniel Morgan
> > <> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Holger Marzen wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On the subject of administering the db with command-line tools I can
> >>tell you that unless you are trying to move yourself into the realm
> >>of unemployed dinosaur those days are over. You'd be wise to spend
> >>your time looking at OEM and GRID control. I know CIOs that are
> >>actively replacing DBAs that can't figure out that those days are over.
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe CEOs need to be replacing their CIOs. GUIs are good for some
> > things, for many other things command line is still king (and quite
> > often faster to work with). Additionally, people that use command line
> > usually know how to use a GUI, but not the other way around.
> > .......
> > We use Oracle on Solaris 2.7 boxes
> > remove NSPAM to email
> Au contraire mon ami.
> The productivity of a DBA still working at the command line and trying
> to manage DataGuard, RMAN, GRID, ASM, ADDM, etc. is perilously close
> to zero.
> It is time to get with the program or some 20+ year old that is still
> willing to learn new things will take your job for far less money and
> be far more productive.

How will the twentysomething know when OEM is misdirecting him? From the help window that tells him to target a hit ratio? From the tablespace map that shows fragmentation in LMT's? Do such tools ever tell anyone to make a parameter smaller?

I think a big limitation of all GUI's I've seen has been there is no documentation of their limits or how to know when to think rather than print pretty pictures. They necessarily have an abstraction layer which can generate their own myths and superstitions.

They have their place. They _can_ be good for visualizing things that are too abstract as a columnar report. They are often good for quickly changing something, or propagating somet things. But when they claim expertise, that is far, far over the line. Claiming the ability to fully control things is pushing it, too.

On the other hand, Oracle taking over functions of a crappy OS can be a good thing.


-- is bogus.
Still pissed at SAM for blowing off root cron just because someone
comments out a sambackup line in crontab -e.
Received on Fri Jul 09 2004 - 15:30:06 CDT

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