Re: Outsourcing developer to India and China - As an Oracle developer I am miffed

"Noons" <wizofoz2k_at_yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:<3f801171$0$12000$afc38c87_at_news.optusnet.com.au>...
> "John Rutherford" <jr1.rutherford_at_virgin.net> wrote in message news:HuBfb.639$b73.955324_at_newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net...
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> > Are we having our life opportunities terminated
> > and rolled out at a cheaper cost in these countries.
>
> Yes.

NO, you are going to have to provide better quality at the same cost. Accept it or perish. Please understand its nothing personal just business. Hey if u think we are taking away ur jobs why dont u try and take away ours. But do it by proving to be a better worker not by cribbing

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> > I thought Globalisation was supposed to bring competition
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> Yes. Unfortunately, outsourcing has NOTHING to do with
> competition. It can't, when you and just about everyone else
> in a Western country is forbidden by the Indian and Chinese
> governments from competing in their markets. Ever tried
> to quote for an IT project in India? You won't even get
> past their e-mail filters! About time this "competition"
> crap is exposed...

Disagree strongly. Can u give me a concrete example of that happening. Microsoft, IBM, Oracle the list goes on..... we use there products they dont complain about not having access to the indian market. What u may be missing out it the fact that the prices u quoted to the Indian company were no match for what they could get it dont for. It has everything to do with competition.

> > - Instead our IT manager are giving away our livlyhoods for nothing.
> > So what if cheaper - Is it ethical?????
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> Business has never been about ethics.

agree ... its about profits nothing wrong in that.

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> > 2 things we can do
> > Boycott organisations who outsource
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> That's a good start. It works. But takes a while.

Tell me dont u own a pair of Nike sneakers or T shirt ? dont u have a pair of Levis ? hey guess what I do to.. and for ur information the material for the Levis is made right here in india, the shoes are produced in SE asian countries .. start boycotting and u might end up living like a hermit. Don't forget to throw out those malasian memory chips from your machine.

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> > Be ethical as a customer and use vendors who do not outsource
> > ie Pick who you bank with and by food from carefully- you get the idea
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> Yes. It also works.
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> Here is another idea:
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> - Compete with them. It's false to pretend that a developer
> in India costs a company in the USA $20/day. That's what the
> worker gets there, but that is NOT what the company in the US
> is being charged. There is a loado of parasites in the middle,
> the "pimps", who are charging a lot more and making a fat living.
> Eat into their income and you'll see the outsourcing fad vanish like
> smoke.
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We welcome competition. We thrive on it. Indians have not made it just on price. Our deliveries and quality is now acknowledged the world over.

> Compete with the pimp. The prices they charge are quite feasible
> for someone living in Western countires to match if they are allowed
> to use the same media: remote links, ssh. Propose along the same lines.
> You can find out how much they charge at the end of the line from their
> web sites. I've seen prices that I can match here in Australia.
> If I am allowed to use the same media. My biggest business cost is by
> far transportation and its associated costs: restaurant food, extras, etc.
> I can trim those down to 0 if I can use the same delivery methods as the
> pimps.
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> If you don't look after your market, don't expect anyone to do it for you...

and dont forget to upgrade while u are at it.

these outsourcing rants make me sick. what happened to healthy competition.

Stop sending emails save the postmans job !!!!!!!!

Regds
Dev Received on Mon Oct 06 2003 - 13:02:05 CDT