Re: Holy Smoke!

"Stu Charlton" <stuartc_at_mac.com> wrote in message news:21398ab6.0309121840.4f55ba8c_at_posting.google.com...

> That's a very good observation, though I would make one notable
> exception: Robert C. Martin from Object Mentor, who's been in this
> industry for decades. I tend to find his writings tend to be the some
> of the most pragmatic of the bunch (though lately he really has bought
> into XP quite thoroughly).

That's good info. Thanks a lot. I've been at a loss trying to find ONE of these guys that has ever seen or worked on a REAL application before 1990. But they all talk like they know heaps about them and "what was wrong" with them. Most of the time it's total utter rubbish. I'll look up this Robert character, sounds like someone worth listening to.

Mind you, I've got nothing against new techniques. But I like to see things that are TRULY new. Not just half-baked rehashes of ages old technology: that serves no purpose whatsoever other than fill the purses of marketing "gurus".

> He was the first instructor that I've experienced that tried to pin
> down what *specfic* things that OO languages can do well, as opposed
> to hand-wavy bubbles and lines "everything is an object, love objects"
> stuff. Most of his concerns surround dependency management.

sounds good to me.

>
> The original patterns were bastardized by industry. They were either
> specific solutions to a specific context of problem, or a
> language/vocabulary for discussing tradeoffs.
>
> Unfortuantely, with J2EE, they turned into a consultant's wet dream of
> cookie-cutters.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

> on "use cases" has nothing do with UML) He is most certainly not a
> cookie-cutter man, and is not a one-size-fits-all process advocate. I
> attended a couple of seminars of his, tis why I say this.

Thanks for the info, BTW. Most welcome. I spent so much money and time buying and reading works from people that are supposed to be experts and are nothing but bad cooks, I'm now entirely too cynical about the whole OO+J2EE bandwagon. It's super to get some good references, rather than waste my time with even more garbage.

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Nuno Souto
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