Re: About LMT's -- nice article

Tanel Poder wrote:

> Hi!
>
> But still, a guy who understands relational db theory and "old" Oracle, is
> able to learn new features of 9i faster than a OCP exam prep guy who knows
> every SQL command by heart, but doesn't even understand how indexes really
> work.. A guy that worked with Sybase databases was able to learn and start
> administrating our critical Oracle systems in less than a year. On the other
> hand I had to fire one guy who had worked with Oracle for several years and
> had quite ok resume as well, but I had to fix his problems the first day I
> started in my present company. Will and abiliy to learn are actually the
> major things what I look at when hiring anyone (of course you can't
> administer a critical database with will only ;)
>
> So, the "experts" older than 20-30 year old guys can blame only themselves
> if they have got to lazy not to keep up with latest technologies. Actually,
> thats how I distinguish a specialist from top specialist, the later one is
> always up to date with the latest technologies in his area of expertise and
> sees, how could those improvements help the business.
>
> To conclude,
> Successful information systems / databases aren't built on nifty features,
> but on solid understanding of underlying systems and careful planning.
>
> Tanel.
>
> "DA Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3E5031EC.D63FCFE9_at_exesolutions.com...
> > Nuno Souto wrote:
> >
> > > DA Morgan <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:<3E4FD8F4.5FA42F8D_at_exesolutions.com>...
> > > >
> > > > Anything less than Oracle 9i experience won't get you an interview by
> > > > the end of this year. Developers and DBAs need to act in their own
> > > > vested self-interest unless they wish to go the way of the dinosaurs
> and
> > > > the RPG II programmers.
> > >
> > > I think you're going too far there. At least in Australia,
> > > I can tell you for sure that 9i here is currently mostly immaterial.
> > > Vast majority of sites are in 7, 8 or 8i and those are by far the most
> common
> > > requirements anywhere.
> > >
> > > Besides, I do have a serious problem with anyone claiming that
> > > professional competence in a field as vast as database administration
> > > is in any way, shape or format linked to a particular version.
> > >
> > > That may be the case with M$ software but as far as the rest of IT
> > > is concerned, it has never been like that and it most
> > > certainly won't start now.
> > >
> > > With all due respect to those here who make a living out of
> > > selling version-dependent competence/instruction/consultancy/whatever.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Nuno Souto
> > > nsouto_at_optusnet.com.au.nospam
> >
> > Speaking for the Pacific Northwest region of the US (if I may be so bold
> and presumtive) there is no 6
> > or 7 and very very little 8.0. That doesn't mean I couldn't find one or
> two hiding at Boeing or another
> > large company in a legacy role ... but it would be a matter of having to
> do major research to find it.
> >
> > With Oracle releasing verison 10i this year, according to an otn web page
> I found ... around May-July,
> > companies here will have all the 8i expertise they need. They will
> certainly keep those people but
> > they'll not be advertising for more. They will be moving 8.0 and 8i to 9i
> ... or 9i to 10i. Any lesser
> > skill set will not be in demand.
> >
> > And I do believe version related skills are critical. With the release of
> 10i knowledge of the RBO and
> > related tuning will be meaningless. Knowledge of rollback tablespaces and
> segments will be irrelevant.
> > Knowledge of dictionary managed tablespaces will be irrelevant. And
> surprise surprise knowledge of
> > SQL*Plus will be nearly irrelevant. And I could go on without once
> divulging information not published
> > by Oracle at otn.oracle.com.
> >
> > Those that do not know the word "quiescing", how to use the "advice"
> views such as db_cache_advice,
> > optimizer dynamic sampling, etc. ... may still be hired. But they will get
> eaten alive by 20-30 year
> > olds that have learned on 9i and are not stuck with the way things "used
> to be".
> >
> > Daniel Morgan
> >

Don't disagree. But resume's are sorted into two piles in less than 60 seconds. Only one gets phone calls. A quick review on web site that have jobs for this region show the listed requirement as being 8i AND 9i. Not even a single position for 8i only. And, as we all know, one question about undo tablespaces will separate those with 9i experience from those that are trying to leverage their knowledge of Oracle 7.

Daniel Morgan Received on Sun Feb 16 2003 - 21:29:25 CST