Re: Comparison of Java, C# for development on Windows and future for them

From: Ingo Pakleppa <ingo-immigration_at_kkeane.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 13:01:37 GMT
Message-ID: <RGdU9.11764$hE3.866641@news1.west.cox.net>

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:18:58 +0000, A Bag Of Memes wrote:

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> "Ingo Pakleppa" <ingo-immigration_at_kkeane.com> wrote in message
> news:0g%T9.7903$hE3.445575_at_news1.west.cox.net...

>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 06:33:20 +0000, Chad Myers wrote:
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>> > "Ingo Pakleppa" <ingo-immigration_at_kkeane.com> wrote in message
>> > news:c1NT9.5555$hE3.123369_at_news1.west.cox.net...
>> >> On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:24:53 +0000, Chad Myers wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Finally Exchange is the only thing that isn't pervasive on unix.
>> > Unix
>> >> >> people like to feel they have superior tools to that. ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Oh yeah, POP3/SMTP is far superior to Exchange. Where's that
>> >> > all-inclusive collaboration package for *nix?
>> >>
>> >> IMAP, LDAP and NNTP come very close to Exchange's features.
>> >
>> > um, not they don't. No contact management, no calendar management,
>> > journaling, instant messaging, info-store-as-file-store, etc, etc, etc.
>> > The only things that come close are Notes and SuckWise-- I mean
>> > GroupWise.
>>
>> Contact management: LDAP (and vcard). Calendar management: vcalendar.
>> (although I have to admit that I'm still looking for a server component
>> that handles that. It's a non-issue for my situation).
>> Instant messaging: I didn't know Exchange or Outlook could even do it. In
>> any case, gaim seems to do the trick for me just fine; I don't see any
>> particular advantage of integrating that.

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> They aren't integrated. That's the business value Exchange provides. One
> person modifies an MS Project document, 20 people's schedules are updated,
> notification alarms go off on their PDAs, etc.
>
> It's easy to focus on the technology and remain oblivious to the business
> value.

That's not a value Exchange provides, but rather a feature of MS Project. Personally, I don't even find it a useful feature. In pretty much any project I have been involved in, this feature got turned off very quickly because it wreaked havoc with people's schedules.

There really is not all that much integration between calendaring, address management and email that makes sense of the server side. On the client side, that's a different story (and the MS Project integration that you describe is one example for client-side integration). Received on Sun Jan 12 2003 - 07:01:37 CST