Re: Outrage that OCP exams are now unproctored - Comments?

"Bert Bear" <bertbear_at_NOSPAMbertbear.net> wrote in message news:<AGGQ9.6238$0Q1.2911332446_at_newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>...
> Noons,
>
> Why are you holding Oracle to a higher standard than the other members of
> the computer industry?

I don't know about outside the US, but in the US there are actual regulations requiring the use of Oracle in government computers. To work on these, you must be vetted as having experience and/or education and/or certification. So there alone, Oracle must be held to a higher standard. Cynicism about _lower_ standard aside, of course.

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> It is OUTSIDE of Oracle's ability to make the OCP (or something like it)
> state issued. The only way to do this is for you (and others) to go to
> YOUR/THIER local state government and get them excited enough to create and
> then require certification!!

Very rich people do have influence on policy makers. Of course, Larry and Scott would rather control the certs, than the govt.

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> Till a state says IT (programmers, administrators, etc.) needs state
> certification, the best we have is industry certification.
>
> Hey! Why don't you look at running for office and making this a campaign
> issue?! Baring running for office, point out IT problems where state
> certification would solve the problem. Basically, you need to get elected
> officials to see the need. The best we can do is help you encourage the
> various states.

Ever see the movie "Dave?"
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> "Noons" <nsouto_at_optusnet.com.au.nospam> wrote in message

Would that be a SET NOON reference? :-)

> news:Xns92F7A3EB8FD9mineminemine_at_210.49.20.254...
> > "Bert Bear" <bertbear_at_NOSPAMbertbear.net> wrote in
> > news:z1tQ9.6103$SY4.2793808936_at_newssvr12.news.prodigy.com and I quote:
> >
> > > Ah, nothing in the computer industry meets your requirement of a state
> > > board, independent of any maker. Why should employers / industry hold
> > > Oracle DBAs to a higher standard than other IT professionals?
> >
> >
> > Last I looked DBAs were taking care of the most valuable
> > piece of information in any company: its databases. If that is not
> > worth a certification based on an independent body, what is?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Obviously, you'd be in favor of requiring programmers to have state
> > > licenses (which might not be a bad idea) and to require malpractice
> > > insurance, etc.

Malpractice insurance is a very dirty word among US doctors these days.

And look at any driving group about licensing... :-O (Big hoo-ha about truck drivers exempted from vision requirements for interstate trucking, these days)

> >
> >
> > Just like any other *professionals*. The point is:
> > Oracle can't call this thing "Certified Professional" in
> > its current format. It's an insult to people who have to be
> > professionally certified, in other industries.
> >
> > The only way to get the proper salary recognition in future,
> > in a tight market like it's gonna be. Think about it.

Well with Boeing laying off 30000 workers in Washington State, and Mr. Morgan training them all, what's to think about? Lotsa cheap labor...

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> >
> > >
> > > Oh, and BTW, when I was in my 20s I looked around for state sponsored
> > > computer board tests. People thought I was crazy. I hope you have
> > > better luck.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I'm not looking around for anything, my 20's are long gone
> > and my career is more near retirement than anything else.
> > But that doesn't mean I have to gobble down the latest
> > marketing plot for a quick money grab, without a whisper
> > against it!

The revolution will not be streamed!

> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Nuno Souto
> > nsouto_at_optusnet.com.au.nospam

jg

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