Re: Java to die in 2003

"Simon Lenn" <simonlenn_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3641e2c2.0212301945.1d3bdcec_at_posting.google.com...
> Hi
>
> I think the track as been lost. If the thread is clearly followed the
> very fact Oracle supports Java stored procedures is to replace PL/SQL
> it is clear very clear. The feeling was PL/SQL was proprietary,
> procedural and not OO and Java was non-proprietary, Open, OO language
> hence Oracle strategically embraced moving to Java both for inside
> Database and outside database (read inside database as Stored
> procedures which was PL/SQL turf).
>
> The way Larry as been sounding appears that all oracle apps as now
> been rewritten in Java and Oracle is using Java as a strategic
> development platform within Oracle appears it is a point of no return
> where Oracle can abandon Java at this stage. Oracle's enterprise
> platform strategy is Java centric to be more precise.
>
> But what I am proposing is when languages like Perl and PHP are so
> powerful, performance, portability wise and today with the dawn of web
> services you can write apps in any language and combine and build an
> app. The client app does not have to be bothered in what language the
> server app is written in. Few things that Java provided is all the
> building blocks needed for a modern language like container,
> messaging, servlets, applets,etc a company like Oracle could have
> easily extended PL/SQL and a powerful scripting language like Perl/PHP
> to deliver a true cross platform open language. To me I still feel
> that Java is in the stranglehold of Sun. What amuses me is Sun is
> fighting MS to bundle the Sun JDK to XP, but little people understand
> IE6 already as a JVM in it how much of it is being used. Every Java
> developer worth is salt knows where to go and download a free JDK for
> windows from the funny thing is Sun is fighting wars asking MS to
> bundle Sun JDK to me it appears foolish all that they will end of
> doing is create a bigger footprint of the new support package and all
> these JDKs will lie unused on the XP box. These people (Sun) are
> totally lost what will make Java a success is not the presence of a
> free JDK on a Windows PC but what will make Java a success is good
> development tools like MS Visual studio for VB or Borland Delphi. If
> they build and provide a free developer kit like that and fix the
> horror performance of Java and make Java as simple as VB or Delphi
> only then Developers will flock. Appears they have lost priority they
> must win the developers hearts and the only way to win developers is
> to make the language and development tools easy and powerful not
> spending tonnes of money on corporate lawyers and battling in the
> courts. Today already Java is more omnipresent considering its
> pervasive presence on Linux, Unix, Mac, Windows and everything else if
> people are not using it Sun cannot blame MS they must really find out
> why people are not using it.
>
> Otherwise court battles will make support packs bigger but will never
> increase the market share or mind share if they do not accept it Java
> will die a silent death. The market will think Java rode the dot com
> bubble and dot com bubble is dead and so will Java this is the sad
> reality.
>
> Simon

The best plan, IMHO, is to listen to Tom Kyte rather than to Larry Ellison.

Aargh! I've been excommunicated!

Regards,
Paul Received on Tue Dec 31 2002 - 12:06:47 CST