Re: Pentium or Risc processors for an Oracle Database?

Thanks Jim for your commentar,

Concerning Intel platform, do you think Linux is yet a solid alternative, especially considering that several vendors propose a homologated Oracle RAC configuration. Or do you think Linux is not so well tested as HP-UX or Solaris?

Regards

Alex

"Jim Stern" <jdstern_at_k2services.com> a écrit dans le message news: aoaqq1$3tj$1_at_news.utelfla.com...
> Alex,
>
> I have worked with just about every hardware platform out there, everyday
at
> FedEx. Based upon my experience, I would not touch an Intel platform for
a
> production system, especially a mission critical one. Intel machines are
> great for prototyping on, but when I deploy systems, it is strictly off an
> Intel platform. The main reason is the that support of hardware, O/S and
> Databases (Oracle, Sybase, DB2) is often a regular session of finger
> pointing. Microsoft blames the Database vendor, who blames the Hardware,
> who in turn blames both of the others.
>
> I am perhaps luckier than most, in that my wife develops many of the
> internal courses for Oracle Support, and I frequently have access to the
> developers and PM's. And I can say from experience, that often Oracle on
an
> Intel platform (specifically with an Micro$oft O/S) is not as well tested
or
> supported as Solaris or HP-UNIX.
>
> Additionally FedEx has deployed thousands of Dell EdgeServers over the
past
> few years to customers, only to have Dell drop availability of parts
within
> months of deployment, forcing FedEx to replace entire units.
>
> Finally Micro$oft's O/S despite claims to the contrary, does not scale
well
> with third party apps. I have personally benchmarked E450's against Dell
> PowerEdges (4 way 1.2GHZ). Configured the same in regards to memory and
> disk space, the Sun E450 blows the Dell PowerEdge away in memory, disk and
> network i/o.
>
> So that's my .02 cents on the choices.
>
> Jim
> "Alex Gnaegi" <alex.gnaegi_at_freesurf.ch> wrote in message
> news:3da82696_at_news.swissonline.ch...
> > Thank you John , Daniel and Howard for your answers.
> >
> > John
> >
> > I think also the TPC benchmark is realy interesting. The problem with
TCP
> is
> > the tested systems are rarely representative of the market. Much of them
> > represent a race against the highest TPC-C score without any
consideration
> > about the price. They are for the normal buyers irrelevant.
> > Especially with Oracle Database, it is very difficult to get
configuration
> > with 1 to 4 processors on NT or Unix OS, precluding any comparison
between
> > Risc and Pentium or AMD processors.
> >
> > Concerning the industry bias, I also agree with you. A lot of decisions
> > about hardware or software are made only to minimise the risks. I'm sure
> > that the choices of platform will be completely different if the
decision
> > makers have to get the money of their own.
> >
> > Do you think Oracle for 700 users can be considered?, with how many CPU
> and
> > RAM?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> > "John Roberts" <jroberts_at_bogus.sprintmail.com> a écrit dans le message
> news:
> > ddIp9.22857$lV3.2164610_at_newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > Alex,
> > >
> > > To arm yourself with facts rather than biased conjecture, take a look
at
> > the
> > > benchmark sites (www.tpc.org and ecperf.theserverside.com ).
> > >
> > > Besides the here and now, you also need to consider industry trends:
> > >
> > > (1) The future of the Alpha chip is in great doubt - not enough
> installed
> > > base means not enough funds for R&D giving rise to a widening
> performance
> > > gap.
> > > (2) The Intel 64 bit Itanium chip has been a dissapointment.
> > > (3) Intel's power base in workstations gives it the money to invest in
> > > server solutions.
> > > (4) Intel and AMD take turns leapfrogging each other in the MHz wars.
> We
> > > will have 3 and 4 GHz chips within the year.
> > > (5) Sun's Ultrasparc III cu currently tops out at 1.015 GHz. So even
> > though
> > > they have 64 bit architecture, the chips have less power than 32 bit
> Intel
> > > competitors.
> > > (6) Sun has been making moves in the Linux arena, causing much
> > consternation
> > > in the Solaris camp. Perhaps Sun Linux is Plan B if their CPU chips
> > > continue to lag Intel. They also announced belated plans to release
> > Solaris
> > > 9 for Intel - perhaps this is Plan C.
> > >
> > > Fortunately, Oracle is readily portable between platforms. For
example,
> > at
> > > my company we often develop under Win 2K and then deploy under
Solaris.
> > So
> > > even if you need to change your mind about platform, its usually a
> simple
> > > job to migrate.
> > >
> > > The other factor is industry bias. The saying in the 1970's was that
> > nobody
> > > ever got fired for recommending IBM. Today, the same can be said for
> > Oracle
> > > running on Solaris. If you recommend Oracle under Windows - Intel and
> the
> > > project goes sour, there will be plenty of people to question that
> > decision.
> > > Most of them on this NG.
> > >
> > > But Oracle under Windows runs just fine for thousands of users. The
> > > hardware is cheaper and you don't need an expensive Solaris SysAdmin.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Received on Sun Oct 13 2002 - 14:56:47 CDT