Re: toad vs pl/sql developer

"Marc Blum" <marc_at_marcblum.de> wrote in message news:7r4vlu05hmm7l7u730mb81klh2oecnf6f9_at_4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:41:51 +0200, "Sybrand Bakker"
<postbus_at_sybrandb.demon.nl>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Marc Blum" <marc_at_marcblum.de> wrote in message
> >news:205slu8ckcik7bo1051ag29ulohfe9irhe_at_4ax.com...
> >>
> >> I strongly recommend PL/SQL-Developer by Allround Automations (
> >> http://www.allroundautomations.nl ). It's much more a development tool
> >than an
> >> administrative aid. I don't like the developers to administer the
> >databases or
> >> foodle around in the structure of the tables. Tools like SQL/Navigator
and
> >TOAD
> >> are much too powerful/featureful!
> >>
> >> It's quiet cheap. We are using it for 4 years and are really happy with
> >it.
> >>
> >> But everything we deliver is strongly SQL+ centered, because
installation
> >and
> >> upgrade of everything has to be automated. I really like the customer's
> >DBA only
> >> to execute a batch, no foodling around!
> >>
> >>
> >> Marc Blum
> >> mailto:marc_at_marcblum.de
> >> http://www.marcblum.de
> >
> >
> >A such eminent display of trust in 'customers DBAs'
> >My experience is quite to the contrary. Most developing firms *force* the
> >DBA to fool around, simply because many developing firms don't know a
thing
> >about Oracle.
> >
> >Regards
>
> Hi Sybrand,
>
> I'm very sorry for these developing firms you mention. Be assured, I know
what
> I'm doing with Oracle.
>
> In my experience (products and individual projects), only 5% of the firms
> running Oracle databases have any clue about that beast. Mostly some
overwhelmed
> system administrator is responsible for networking, email servers,
database
> servers, file servers, backups etc etc. Therefore installation and upgrade
has
> to be well documented, with step-by-step instruction and as automated as
> possible to prevent ANY missunderstandings, callbacks etc
>
> Conclusion: on both sides there are people knowing what they're doing and
also
> people-needing-some-help-and-patience.
>
>
> Marc Blum
> mailto:marc_at_marcblum.de
> http://www.marcblum.de

Unfortunately, with most of our applications, it's one-way. We know what we're doing with Oracle, but the supplier doesn't. Not only, but for example, Peopleshit.

Paul Received on Sun Aug 18 2002 - 15:02:02 CDT