Re: set a rollback segment for a specific user

Hi Daniel,

I think the last points you make are on the whole valid. They're all issues that OU tries to address, with varying degrees of success (none to minimal :)

Regards

Richard

"Daniel Morgan" <dmorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message news:3D46ABB1.A380A16_at_exesolutions.com...
> Richard Foote wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Oracle Education most certainly *IS* training. A few points.
> >
> > 1) The core DBA curriculum is primarily aimed at the new/novice Oracle
DBA.
> > It's vital that the basics, the foundation knowledge and skills be in
place
> > before anyone can develop into a master. Oracle Education courses are
> > excellent in developing these core skills and competences. Once in
place,
> > professional growth based on an correct understanding of how Oracle
> > functions can take place.
> >
> > 2) Some courses are better (eg. Backup and Recovery) than others (eg.
> > Performance Tuning). None are perfect but overall they serve their
purpose.
> > It's often the quality or otherwise of an instructor and the additional
> > input they provide that makes or breaks a particular course.
> >
> > 3) The fact the Oracle courses are so tied with OCP is unfortunate. OCP
has
> > its weaknesses (no argument there), but that shouldn't distract from the
> > importance and indeed relevance of most of the training available.
> >
> > 4) These courses should only be viewed as a *START* to the learning
process.
> > Nobody seriously suggests that a couple of weeks of training means you
are a
> > fully competent, Jonathon level guru. The fact that the OCP program
suggests
> > otherwise is, as I said unfortunate. But what it does mean is that you
have
> > all the necessary prerequisites to professionally grow and develop
without
> > incorrect assumptions or blind spots hindering or warping this. It's the
> > subsequent experience and the trials and errors of being a DBA in a
> > professional environment that completes the process (if it's ever really
> > complete). And this takes time ...
> >
> > 5) Value for money is a difficult one. I personally believe Oracle
training
> > is too expensive and that some of the courses are a bit long and
verbose.
> > However, it was a rare customer who left my classes not satisfied with
the
> > training they received. Many, many of them have subsequently developed
into
> > excellent DBAs. How they would have developed without the training or
with
> > different training is difficult to say but much feedback suggests that
the
> > training they did receive was an important and worthwhile first few
steps.
> >
> > My thoughts :)
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > "Niall Litchfield" <niall.litchfield_at_dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
> > news:3d45ae79$0$12039$cc9e4d1f_at_news.dial.pipex.com...
> > > "Daniel Morgan" <dmorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3D45A3E1.75CD45D0_at_exesolutions.com...
> > > > I agree and would add that ... part of the reason people perceive
Oracle
> > > as hard,
> > > > and/or expensive, to manage is that in truth they never received
decent
> > > training. An
> > > > OCP class is not training. Oracle Education is truly not training.
> > >
> > > I disagree Oracle education is training (/pedant though it may not be
> > > education /pedant). The trouble is education only gets you so far. As
> > Connor
> > > said to me in an entirely different post "experience is what you get
when
> > > you were expecting something else". training doesn't substitute for
> > > experience - it merely prompts it. IMO anyway.
> > >
> > > I wan't to be clear though I learned a lot from oracle training. It
was
> > > worth the money. Actually let me say that again with emphasis ORACLE
> > > TRAINING IS WORTH THE CASH. The problem is that folk think you can do
3
> > > weeks worth of classes and end up with Jonathon/Nuno/Sybrand/Connor's
> > level
> > > of expertise. You can't. It does on the whole though prevent you from
> > > commiting planned stupidity;this is A Good Thing (tm) The problem is
not
> > > the training its the expectations. We can argue over who is
responsible
> > for
> > > these. I won't be budged on oracle education being value for money
though.
> > >
> > > > And for those of us earning in six figures
> > > Please don't do this to me you know it hurts <g>.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Niall Litchfield
> > > Oracle DBA
> > > Audit Commission UK
> > > *****************************************
> > > Please include version and platform
> > > and SQL where applicable
> > > It makes life easier and increases the
> > > likelihood of a good answer
> > > ******************************************
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> I agree. I have received value for my time at Oracle Education. But you
are
> correct that it is oriented toward the novice and is actually too
expensive if
> the intention is to sell the product. I think, however, Oracle Ed is set
up as
> its own profit center rather than set up as a means of pumping out more
> developers and DBAs that will recommend buying Oracle's products.
>
> The weakness I observed were as follows:
> 1. Too much reliance on PowerPoint slides
> 2. Too little actual hands-on
> 3. The instructors had little, if any, real-world experience with the
products.
> They knew the material they were teaching well but often could not relate
it to
> business problems
> 4. The presenters never made mistakes that required debugging. Leaving
students
> with little ability to handle syntactic and logical errors.
>
> Daniel Morgan
>
Received on Tue Jul 30 2002 - 21:08:38 CDT