Re: How to confirm someone is an OCP?

In article <37fab3ab.0207110422.629c0439_at_posting.google.com>, mikerault_at_earthlink.net says...
>
>Very interesting...seems most of the negative stuff comes from
>Oz...and Seattle which everyone knows is just Oz in the US...:)

Nah, it's just Aussies have never learnt to shut their mouth. :)

>
>Actually I support the OCP as a "line in the sand" it indicates a
>certain committment to learning. Would I turn loose an OCP only DBA
>with my production database? No, I would not. At least it is better
>than the old Oracle Masters program.
>
>I encourage those who ask "should I?" because it indicates they are
>not sure of their abilities. OCP will help expose them to concepts
>they might not be exposed to otherwise. It gives a foundation to build
>on. If they don't build on it, that is their fault, not the fault of
>the program. How many of you have DBA intern programs? I'll bet none
>of you. If you want to really help get quality DBAs then provide a
>path:
>
>Classes
>to
>OCP
>to
>Intership
>to
>DBA
>to
>Senior DBA
>to
>DBA Curmudgen

And what qualifies us for this rank? ;)
>
>Mike Ault
>
>"It is better to light a light than to to curse the darkness"
>
>Daniel Morgan <dmorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
>news:<3D2C7D5F.DE72F334_at_exesolutions.com>...
>> Andy wrote:
>>
>> > I am going to be looking for a DBA soon, and it's occurred to me that
>> > if someone tells me they are an Oracle Certified Professional I think
>> > I'll want to confirm it.
>> >
>> > Do the Oracle Education people keep a record, and would they tell me
>> > if someone was an OCP if I asked, or would that come under some Data
>> > Protection Act (I'm in Australia)?
>> >
>> > Is there a certificate or letter I can ask to see?
>> >
>> > Not being an OCP myself, I don't know what to look for.
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>>
>> I would urge you to consider the OCP to be as valuable as the paper it is
>> printed on. Here (I'm in Seattle, WA, USA) we don't even ask about OCP
>> and other certifications as we have found out long ago that lots of
>> people can read a book, pass a test, and not necessarily have any actual
>> ability to do the job. Ask yourself, for example, would you want a
>> surgeon that had never had an internship? An MD has meaning. An OCP,
>> unfortunately, does not.
>>
>> Far better, when interviewing a DBA candidate, to have a clear
>> understanding of what responsibilities you expect them to perform (strict
>> production DBA), advisor to development and testing groups, lead code
>> reviews, advise on architecture, etc. Then have a half-dozen good
>> questions related to each proposed aspect of the job.
>>
>> There is nothing in the OCP that will teach the skills necessary to track
>> down scalability and security problems. There is nothing in the OCP that
>> will tell you that backup tapes should be tested regularly to see if they
>> actually work. Practical experience is the only thing that really
>> matters.
>>
>> Daniel Morgan

HTH. Additions and corrections welcome.

Pete

SELECT standard_disclaimer, witty_remark FROM company_requirements; Received on Thu Jul 11 2002 - 10:59:01 CDT