Well, in this sense, almost everything relies on Windows these days, as this
is the major client OS for desktops and notebooks out there, with CE eating
into PDA market agressively and Windows for Pocket PC being the only
choice on PPCs.... At server side we still have wide choice, but clients who
actually communicate to them (being main reason for server side existence)
are all mostly of Windows breed. Java as a pure tech does not rely on any
particular OS, but it does rely on Windows for being wide-accepted. .NET is
targeted to replace it there altogether. It's not that .NET is superior to
Java2/J2EE, it's just that it's a tech from the same vendor as your OS,
supposedly tightly integrated and working better than anything else from
third parties. And you even get Java-like C# and (wow!) Visual Basic along
with it! Well, C# has a few things you don't have in Java, native properties
being the most notable (yes, you have properties in JavaBeans, but they are
nearly not as natural as in C#, being more of a naming convention), and you
have CLR (read, VM) here that is supposed to make your code portable to the
same degree as Java...but who needs that portability if the only OS on most
desktops is Windows? I doubt we'll see CLR for any other platform within next
year, or even longer - they actually don't need it, claim of portability is enough.
"If there's demand - we'll do CLR for other platforms, but we doubt there will
be." That's it. "Ein Reich - ein Fuehrer" translated into "one world - one OS".
Client-side Java is pretty much doomed. It was actually DOA right from the start
when Sun failed on delivery of promised "write once - run everywhere" for GUI.
We waited too long for swing which ultimately fulfills this promise - and Java
missed the train of success. If they initially designed with swing in mind - they
could have had a chance, but now it's just too late.
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"Niall Litchfield" <n-litchfield_at_audit-commission.gov.uk> wrote in message
news:3d0713d4$0$232$ed9e5944_at_reading.news.pipex.net...
> "D.Y." <dyou98_at_aol.com> wrote in message
> news:f369a0eb.0206112121.44878ccc_at_posting.google.com...
> > The fact that a thread on Oracle quickly turned into a debate on Java/J2EE
> > tells you there is a lot of interest there. Java is not useless, nor is it
> > everything. Safe to say that its capabilities sit somewhere in between. I
> am
> > sure we'll find a more complete list of pros and cons in the Java group.
>
> No disagreement there.
>
> > So Java has its places, and it doesn't rely on Windows. Also don't
> > underestimate the importance of user support. Availability of the large
> number
> > of Java developers pretty much gauranttees it won't disappear as a major
> > development tool anytime soon.
>
> Hmm. I think Java actually does rely on windows. That is why having screamed
> at them for trying to derail Java, Sun are now screaming at MS for saying
> very well then we won't play ball and we won't install a JVM. I maybe (and
> hope I am) wrong but if Java becomes a missing species on windows then most
> probably it will die.
>
>
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> Niall Litchfield
> Oracle DBA
> Audit Commission UK
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Received on Thu Jun 13 2002 - 02:06:53 CDT
