Re: Assistance needed with creating tables in oracle.

Yes, but I think the additional point is that management (as KPK points out) is:

 "Although they (mostly) have no experience in Software Engineering or development processes, they look at "time" and "cost". That's it. How much time will it take to get "something" out to the customer and how much will it cost them before they go out and look for another vendor that can do it for less"

(the they is upper management) Clearly they aren't focused on quality - again the they is upper management. Since they don't have experience with software development this causes a problem; likely lower down the food chain management thinks that a database is a database - like a car is a car. Hence Sybrand is correct and why you felt you may have gotten some shouting as to "don't do it that way". Lots of people are tired of having to clean up habits due to differences in database architecture's and being victims of a management that usually is technically incompetent and unappreciative of nuances - well maybe nuance is too subtle - of tools.

Jim

"Sybrand Bakker" <postbus_at_sybrandb.demon.nl> wrote in message news:sipsdu4gsp8m352dbuec8dn62emvfks5la_at_4ax.com...
> On Sun, 12 May 2002 06:56:05 -0700, "KPK" <kpkeller_at_alltel.net> wrote:
>
> > Bottom line (and apparently Mr. Bakker fails
> >to understand this) is that we "developers" typically don't get the time
to
> >do things the correct way because upper management unfortunately and
often
> >times make the decisions.
> >
> >Although they (mostly) have no experience in Software Engineering or
> >development processes, they look at "time" and "cost". That's it. How
much
> >time will it take to get "something" out to the customer and how much
will
> >it cost them before they go out and look for another vendor that can do
it
> >for less. When things bogg down and bugs begin to surface (usually do to
> >the lack of adequate testing time), then it's our (developers) fault. I
> >just don't need or want the extra headache from folks like Mr. Bakker.
>
>
> Unfortunately Mr. Bakker belongs to the folks that have to clean out
> the mess and are
> *always blamed by developers*
> for bad database performance, while it is perfectly clear developer's
> crappy code is causing the problem. Happens in 99.9 percent of all the
> sqlserver - oracle migration projects, as most sqlserver developers
> think Oracle is sqlserver sold by a different vendor.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Sybrand Bakker, Senior Oracle DBA
>
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Received on Sun May 12 2002 - 08:46:42 CDT