Re: How Is The Job Market for Oracle DBA's?

Just a short diatribe about this point you make: "rather than H1's in whose case the employee has to come to US and has to be paid the current market rate."

H1 visa sponsorship has probably led to many cases of legalized indentured servitude. I used to know this guy here in New York whose boss hadn't paid him in months (4, if I'm not mistaken). He was living off the little that he had left from his first few months in the states, when he was getting a regular salary. Who could he complain to, the Labor Department? His boss would revoke his visa sponsorship in a second, and he'd be forced to go back on his merry ol' way to India. I strongly doubt that his case is unique. Thus, to suggest that people here on H1s get paid a comparable salary to regular workers is probably false if this practise of non-payment of salary is more widespread. Which it very well most likely is; what benefit is there for an employer to pay for the airplane tickets and the sponsorship to get some guy from India over here in order to pay him the same amount that he could pay an equally qualified person who is already here and doesn't need sponsorship? The benefit most likely comes when he avoids paying the guy for months, and then only in "installments".

-Simon
"NLM" <nlm1234_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7101b484.0204081420.692bd899_at_posting.google.com...
> Well John, I hope that you understand that your problem is with
> companies that outsource projects to India (or anywhere else) for
> $15ph, rather than H1's in whose case the employee has to come to US
> and has to be paid the current market rate.
>
>
> tincanman9_at_yahoo.com (John W.) wrote in message
news:<3cb1d12d.2345437_at_netnews.worldnet.att.net>...
> > Understood.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Sun, 07 Apr 2002 22:16:32 GMT, "RSH" <RSH_Oracle_at_worldnet.att.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >And, yes, the DBA market is flooded with inexperienced, underqualified
> > >labor, with impressive but often quite false resumes.
> > >
> > >Have fun.
> > >
> > >RSH.
> > >"John W." <tincanman9_at_yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:3cb075d7.3963078_at_netnews.worldnet.att.net...
> > >> Was working at a large telecom. They had been in trouble for a long
> > >> time. Since the time I had been there it was endless layoffs,
> > >> downsizings, etc...
> > >>
> > >> Anyway they came in and chopped out 20% of the employees. Cost
> > >> reduction. The separation package as they call it was not bad but the
> > >> job market sucks. Bad as it was there (the place was full of H1B's -
> > >> employees were a minority, you would think you were in India) it was
> > >> still a paying job. The day before I went off payroll there was an
> > >> email from my director saying there now going to offshore projects to
> > >> get costs lower as there is pressure from the business to control
> > >> costs.
> > >>
> > >> The location of course was India. Try this for rates and it will make
> > >> your hair stand up. The Indian consulting company gets $15/hour for
> > >> each body, the person (programmer, etc...) gets.....get ready (it
> > >> shocked me) $3/HOUR! How are people here ever going to compete with
> > >> that? IT in this country is doomed.
> > >>
> > >> I have 15 years of experience (I am old ) in a variety of
> > >> technologies. MVS, UNIX, NT, programming (C, C++, Cobol & some Java)
> > >> database administration (Oracle, DB2, IMS), system administration,
> > >> networking, architecture... In my last position I was a systems
> > >> infrastructure manager.
> > >>
> > >> Anyway I have sent out close to 300 resumes already and have only
> > >> gotten a handful of responses. Its really tight. The H1B's have
really
> > >> tightened up the job market. I have been in this field for 15 years
> > >> and have never ever seen it like this. Usually it might take you a
> > >> month to find a job but I have been at it for 3 already. Starting to
> > >> get scared...
> > >>
> > >> I am contemplating getting back into Oracle DBA work. I did it for a
> > >> number of years and was offered an "opportunity". Got out of it. As
> > >> part of severance package I got money for training (anything I want)
> > >> that will cover taking ALL the current Oracle DBA training?
> > >>
> > >> How is the job market for Oracle DBA's? Is it tight?
> > >>
> > >> Reason I am asking is that some parts of the tech field are flooded
> > >> with cheap labor. Are Oracle DBA's one of them?
> > >>
> > >> I would like to hear some opinions.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >
Received on Tue Apr 09 2002 - 13:05:23 CDT