Re: Is Sr. DBAs afraid of not be able to pass cert exam ??

this is so well said :) While I'm sure there are good ocp certified dba's, I've yet to meet one. I had one working for me as a consultant that tried to do a file system copy on an open db and couldn't understand why it didn't work. I've only got about 6 years of dba experience under my belt, and would not consider myself a guru of any sort, but I know where to find info when I need it, and can solve most problems as they arise. I am the primary descision maker when we add dba's and am always very leery of the certified applicants (lol, we haven't hired one yet :) - and of the 3 year experts <G> Both categories of folks are hidebound by their own descisions, wrapped to tightly in their own expertise to consult a manual, or learn anything new <G> (I know, I generalize, yadayada).

All that said. I love oracle education - I've yet to have a bad instructor, and always pick up something cool in the classes.

On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:43:28 GMT, "koert54" <koert54_at_nospam.com> wrote:

>* the ways of the Tao *
>http://www.interealm.com/tao/index.html
>
>
>A manager asked his Oracle Master to assess the technical abilities of a
>potential new hire. The Master agreed and entered a small conference room
>with the manager and the applicant.
>
>Pleasantries aside, the Master began to question the young applicant:
>
>"Why would one wish to use Cost vs. Rule?"
>
>"How can performance be affected in a MTS environment?"
>
>"If a user complains that the database is slow? What is the first thing that
>pops into your mind?"
>
>"If you were to write an adventure game, tell me how you would represent the
>inventory system in memory?"
>
>The applicant appeared to think-through each question carefully and then
>replied with the answer they felt was appropriate.
>
>When the Master's questioning was complete, he smiled, said, "Thank you for
>your time" and excused himself from the conference room.
>
>The manager raced through the door into the hallway and pulled the Master
>into a small closet. "Those were all the questions you were going to ask
>him? Were his answers correct?" he said with a tone of concern.
>
>"There are no correct or incorrect answers to the questions I asked",
>replied the Master, "he is one with the Tao of Oracle and will greatly
>benefit this company. Hire him."
>
>The manager scowled, "But you didn't ask him anything technical!? Why didn't
>you ask him for names of V$ tables or some other memorization question?"
>
>The Master frowned. "First of all, they are V$ Views, not Tables", he said,
>"Secondly, I am not concerned with this person's ability to mindlessly
>absorb information for the purposes of trivia and test-taking; I do not care
>if this person has memorized the rules of playing chess. I want know that
>this person knows how to play chess."
>
>The Manager looked puzzled.
>
>The Master sighed, "If a person absorbs facts but cannot form simple
>rationalizations or theories based on the information, then this person has
>learned nothing. If they have learned nothing, then they cannot act. If they
>cannot act then they are worthless to your organization."
>
>The Manager then asked the master, "What about coding? He said that he know
>C, Java, and PL/SQL. Why didn't you have him write some sample code blocks
>in each language or something?"
>
>The Master signed and shook his head, "You do not understand the ways of the
>Tao. Only a fool would expect that a technical person would have an in-depth
>knowledge of all things at all times..."
>
>The Master added, "Today our project is in PL/SQL, so I will write in
>PL/SQL. Tomorrow our project may be in Java, so I will write in Java. During
>each transitional period where I shift from one language to another, it is
>foreseeable that these rules of syntax will become a temporary blur to me
>and I may put THENs on my IF statements. Does this make me an unskilled
>fool? Does this mean that I am worthless addition to your company? I think
>not."
>
>The Manager nodded in agreement, went back inside the conference room and
>immediately offered the applicant a job. Today, the applicant is a well
>respected mentor, responsible for saving the company millions of dollars
>each year.
>
>***
>
>If one has read all of the computer books in the library, does it make them
>a consultant?
>If one can recall the answers to memorization questions, does it make them
>skilled?
>If one has taken courses without asking a single question, does it make them
>wise?
>If one can pass Oracle Certification Exams, does it make them an applied
>expert?
>Truly this is not the Tao of Oracle.
>
>If one has a core understanding of technology, they have a strong
>foundation.
>If one is disciplined in the ways of Computer Science, they have common
>sense.
>If one has programmed in a given language, they can easily adapt to others.
>Truly this is the way of the Tao.
>
>
>
>"Justin John" <DontBotherwith_at_fake.ca> wrote in message
>news:GYG58.9772$DE3.1761608_at_news20.bellglobal.com...
>> Interesting opion I read from
>> http://www.dbasupport.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=20359
>> Maybe there are certain degrees of truth in it.
>>
>>
>> A friend of mine said to me most the sr. dbas are not certified, they
>hates
>> people certified and suggest I don't put certification on my cv.
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Received on Sat Feb 02 2002 - 22:22:03 CST