Re: Is Sr. DBAs afraid of not be able to pass cert exam ??

Daniel,
  Oracle is doing this all the time, you can download Oracle Enterprise Edition, full documentations. Any one can read the manual, learn Oracle. Sure. After you "learned" it, just walk up to an hiring manager say, hey, dude, I know Oracle, give me the money.
  Oracle is a for-profit orgnization, what's wrong with that ? At least they are not making money at the cost of American's life, or life of other countries.
  Tests, which test you've taken (I assume you have post graduate education) is perfect for testing your ability and can't be crammed, at a reasonable cost, of course. I agree a one-to-one interview with an 10 year DBA as a test is perfect, if you can control the cost at $150 a shot.   BTW, do you still remember your high school geometry class, and do you think you can pass the same test again. Does it invalid your high school education?
  With all respects, happy argueing

Justin

"Daniel A. Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message news:3C57EAFB.A7F8FF7D_at_exesolutions.com...
> Oracle doesn't see this as a way of creating a large market for DBAs. They
see
> this as a way of making money. Oracle is a profit-making corporation.
>
> The solution is not "tests". The solution is to hand someone a CD and a
server
> and say ... install, configure, install an application and tune it. The
> certification should go to those that can.
>
> Daniel Morgan
>
>
>
> Nuno Souto wrote:
>
> > Chris Boyle doodled thusly:
> >
> > >Have the test become a money spinner for Oracle? ABSOLUTELY!!!! They
can
> > >be passed by rote even if you have no oracle experience. (not me but I
have
> > >seen it done)
> >
> > Exactly! And exactly what is wrong with the format as is. Have seen
> > so many "rote" "OCPs" out there it's not even funny!
> >
> > ORACLE are shooting themselves in the foot if they think this is the
> > way to create a "large market" for DBAs. It's rubbish: been tried in
> > this industry many times before, never worked. It won't work now.
> > Eventually IT managers wise-up and realize they're being had. Then
> > things go "clunk".
> >
> > The solution is to make those certificates true tests of DB knowledge
> > and reasoning. But that requires a somewhat more sophisticated
> > "evaluation facility" than a template for filtering multiple choices!
> > Or a "tick-checking" CGI program.
> >
> > As such, less profit. Therefore, let's promote the darn thing as
> > "infallible", to compensate for the OBVIOUS short-comings. Typical
> > modern marketing crud. Anyone buying it, deserves it.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Nuno Souto
> > nsouto_at_optushome.com.au.nospam
>
Received on Thu Jan 31 2002 - 23:55:15 CST