Re: Is Sr. DBAs afraid of not be able to pass cert exam ??

I wasn't complaining: Just stating the obvious.

I'm not writing PL/SQL as a donation either.

Daniel Morgan

Justin John wrote:

> Daniel,
> Oracle is doing this all the time, you can download Oracle Enterprise
> Edition, full documentations. Any one can read the manual, learn Oracle.
> Sure. After you "learned" it, just walk up to an hiring manager say, hey,
> dude, I know Oracle, give me the money.
> Oracle is a for-profit orgnization, what's wrong with that ? At least they
> are not making money at the cost of American's life, or life of other
> countries.
> Tests, which test you've taken (I assume you have post graduate education)
> is perfect for testing your ability and can't be crammed, at a reasonable
> cost, of course. I agree a one-to-one interview with an 10 year DBA as a
> test is perfect, if you can control the cost at $150 a shot.
> BTW, do you still remember your high school geometry class, and do you
> think you can pass the same test again. Does it invalid your high school
> education?
> With all respects, happy argueing
>
> Justin
>
> "Daniel A. Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3C57EAFB.A7F8FF7D_at_exesolutions.com...
> > Oracle doesn't see this as a way of creating a large market for DBAs. They
> see
> > this as a way of making money. Oracle is a profit-making corporation.
> >
> > The solution is not "tests". The solution is to hand someone a CD and a
> server
> > and say ... install, configure, install an application and tune it. The
> > certification should go to those that can.
> >
> > Daniel Morgan
> >
> >
> >
> > Nuno Souto wrote:
> >
> > > Chris Boyle doodled thusly:
> > >
> > > >Have the test become a money spinner for Oracle? ABSOLUTELY!!!! They
> can
> > > >be passed by rote even if you have no oracle experience. (not me but I
> have
> > > >seen it done)
> > >
> > > Exactly! And exactly what is wrong with the format as is. Have seen
> > > so many "rote" "OCPs" out there it's not even funny!
> > >
> > > ORACLE are shooting themselves in the foot if they think this is the
> > > way to create a "large market" for DBAs. It's rubbish: been tried in
> > > this industry many times before, never worked. It won't work now.
> > > Eventually IT managers wise-up and realize they're being had. Then
> > > things go "clunk".
> > >
> > > The solution is to make those certificates true tests of DB knowledge
> > > and reasoning. But that requires a somewhat more sophisticated
> > > "evaluation facility" than a template for filtering multiple choices!
> > > Or a "tick-checking" CGI program.
> > >
> > > As such, less profit. Therefore, let's promote the darn thing as
> > > "infallible", to compensate for the OBVIOUS short-comings. Typical
> > > modern marketing crud. Anyone buying it, deserves it.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Nuno Souto
> > > nsouto_at_optushome.com.au.nospam
> >
Received on Thu Jan 31 2002 - 14:51:48 CST