Re: Oracle Certification question

I'd agree with you if I could come up with a single example in my experience where someone was hired at Boeing, or AT&T, or anywhere else I consult based on an OCP: I can't.

But that doesn't mean one shouldn't study for it and pass it. I just like to lower expectations to a point that coincides with my experience in the marketplace.

As had been said before ... I can't even think of a single time when, during an interview, I have either asked, or been asked, about an OCP.

Daniel Morgan

Justin wrote:

> Daniel,
>
> You missed my point, if you have 10 years hard core DBA experience, why
> bother with certification, but in Jason's situation, with no prior
> experience, his only choice is between get a certification or no
> certification at all. All I'm saying is Jason have a better chance if he has
> a certification. Think about it, the problem here is not if Jason prefer get
> a certification, and too lazy to get any experience.
>
> Justin
>
> "Daniel A. Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3C552AB9.13042586_at_exesolutions.com...
> > I'll answer your "what's the difference" question.
> >
> > Would you hire a neurosurgeon who had done the classroom work but had not
> done
> > an internship under the supervision of another surgeon?
> >
> > Would you hire an attorney to represent you on a murder case if he had
> just
> > passed the bar but had no experience in court?
> >
> > I don't think so.
> >
> > But what if you had someone with no law school who passed the bar and had
> > practiced law for 20 years including arguing successfully before your
> state
> > Supreme Court?
> >
> > I think you get my point. I teach at a University. Obviously I value
> education
> > and classrooms. All I'm saying is that it is not sufficient anymore than
> it
> > would be in the above examples.
> >
> > Daniel Morgan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Justin wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Jason,
> > >
> > > I'm kind of in the same situation as you do, I don't know your
> > > background, but as a programmer for over 6 years, interviewed people to
> fill
> > > programmer position, I can tell you if choose between someone with no
> > > programming experience, no certification and no experience with
> > > certification, we (as least I) choose the latter.
> > > The deal is, if you want to break in a career, with no experience, a
> > > certification is your only hope.
> > > Don't expect too much money in your first year or two, just gather
> > > experience.
> > > Some people here like Daniel, dismiss the idea of certification
> totally,
> > > I don't agree. A certification, in my opion, is like a BS degree in CS,
> many
> > > companies hire new graduates with CS degree only. What's the difference
> > > between sitting in a classroom for four years, passing 20 tests,
> including
> > > American History and pass 4 or 5 tests designed to a very specific goal.
> > > Besides, something you memorized from a book on how to set the size
> of
> > > SGA is no difference from you figure it out yourself on the job, assume
> the
> > > book is a good one.
> > > Just don't think certification is a permit to print money. You still
> have
> > > a few years to struggle after the certification and your first, second
> and
> > > third DBA jobs.
> > > Good luck and don't hesitate to invest in your future.
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > "Jason" <foucault4_at_attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8jp48.9811$b14.21494_at_rwcrnsc54...
> > > > hi everyone...
> > > > if it's inappropriate to post this here, please accept my apology and
> let
> > > me
> > > > know...
> > > >
> > > > i was wondering what you all think about Oracle Certification. i just
> > > > passed the first test in the DBA track and i'm wondering if, at $125 a
> > > shot,
> > > > it is going to be worth it to take the rest. i'm sure there are a lot
> of
> > > > variables in answering this, but basically what i'm looking for is
> your
> > > > opinion as to whether someone with X number of years of hands-on job
> > > > experience with Oracle AND the OCP certificate is a more desirable job
> > > > candidate or can expect to command a higher salary than someone with
> the
> > > > same experience but no certification? i can see where someone without
> any
> > > > experience or very little would be greatly benefited by having a paper
> > > that
> > > > says they know what they're talking about, but i would suspect that
> this
> > > > advantage would diminish with experience. agree? disagree?
> > > >
> > > > also, any other opinions you have on the testing would be welcome.
> for
> > > > instance, best guess on how many Oracle DBA's in 10 are certified?
> > > opinions
> > > > on the classes... instructor-led vs. self-paced CDs?
> > > >
> > > > thanks...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
Received on Mon Jan 28 2002 - 10:55:26 CST