Re: Thanks for the reply

I love it ... so work like a dog is never a factor.

But cheap labor? You've got to be kidding. Not at my hourly bill rate. <g>

Daniel Morgan

Justin wrote:

> Daniel,
>
> You call it mental challenge, I'd rather call it work like a dog, or
> cheap labor. The mental challenge should be being Enron CEO, put a few
> politicians in your pocket, the world is yours :-))
>
> Justin
>
> "Daniel A. Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> news:3C5521E3.205E6F0_at_exesolutions.com...
> > And that is exactly why I prefer being a development DBA. I like the
> continuing
> > mental challenges. But don't say 'nothing can be automated'. With built-in
> > packages such as DBMS_JOB, DBMS_SMTP, DBMS_PIPE, DBMS_FTP, and UTL_FILE a
> > phenomenal amount of stuff can be automated if one chooses to invest the
> time
> > and effort.
> >
> > Daniel Morgan
> >
> >
> >
> > Justin wrote:
> >
> > > Daniel,
> > > I totally agree with you, and that's why I want to be a DBA, instead
> of a
> > > programmer, as a programmer, there isn't much stuff to automate, and no
> > > script will do your programming work, you can have reusable component,
> but
> > > it just make your life a bit easier.
> > >
> > > Justin
> > > "Daniel A. Morgan" <damorgan_at_exesolutions.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3C53E0E8.3001B6F0_at_exesolutions.com...
> > > > I strongly disagree. A good DBA should have scripts monitoring
> multiple
> > > instances that send emails
> > > > whenever certain metrics are found to be out-of-whack. The backups
> should
> > > be automated and the
> > > > restores never required. And with respect to tuning ... that is
> certainly
> > > an ongoing activity. But
> > > > if it takes 8 hours a day ... there is something very wrong. Likely
> going
> > > all the way back to not
> > > > being involved in the application's development and testing cycle.
> > > >
> > > > Daniel Morgan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kevin McDaniel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Justin,
> > > > >
> > > > > If the DBAs you know do nothing but surf the net all day, then they
> > > > > must not be very good DBAs. Although the list of general
> > > > > responsibilities for DBAs is rather short, they encompass quite a
> bit.
> > > > > For example, I spend the majority of my day working on space
> > > > > management issues. I prepare reports and conduct research for
> > > > > upcoming projects that will effect the database. I determine if the
> > > > > amount of space allocated to the database is sufficient for future
> > > > > changes, like new product installations, growth rates of existing
> > > > > applications, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > Besides the normal DBA responsibilities of Backup/Recovery,
> > > > > Perf/Tuning, the DBAs that I know also work on application
> development
> > > > > and tuning.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bottom line: there is a lot to being a DBA. The pace may be a
> little
> > > > > less than what you're used to now. But don't expect it to be like
> > > > > that all of the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Justin" <justin_at_ca.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:<nfJ48.18402$Ii5.4912179_at_news20.bellglobal.com>...
> > > > > > Hey, Chris,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the reply, I took a look at the STS stuff, looks
> good
> > > though
> > > > > > the price is kind of steep. Do you have any experience with STS ?
> Do
> > > you
> > > > > > think reading oracle's documentation will help, though the volume
> is
> > > kind of
> > > > > > overwhelming.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm just curious, the DBAs I know seems just like Sys Admins,
> > > sitting
> > > > > > there surfing the net all day, unless someone broke something or
> > > something
> > > > > > really bad happend, which doesn't happen that often, while us poor
> > > > > > programmers have to work day and night at every new feature
> release,
> > > which
> > > > > > is almost every week.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Justin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Chris Boyle" <cboyle_at_no.spam.hargray.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:a2u70u$dh8d$1_at_news3.infoave.net...
> > > > > > > I would also skip the OCP CBTs from Oracle. They were the exact
> > > same
> > > > > > > quality as Daniel found the book to be. Until Sybex or somebody
> > > comes out
> > > > > > > with a book your only choice is class room training. You could
> get
> > > the
> > > > > > STS
> > > > > > > test. They will help you pass certification.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have never met a DBA that didn't have deadlines to meet and
> > > recovering a
> > > > > > > mission critical instance after a disk failure can't be
> considered
> > > > > > relaxing.
> > > > > > > DBA is different than programming but it can be just as
> stressful
> > > and
> > > > > > > taxing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good luck on the exams.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Justin" <justin_at_ca.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:_Ul48.20204$bu6.3893731_at_news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > > > > > > Hi, there,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm thinking about take oracle 9i ocp exam, at least the
> oca
> > > part,
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > looking for a dba job. Been a programmer too long, tired and
> laid
> > > off.
> > > > > > Want
> > > > > > > > something more relaxing. Hate deadlines.
> > > > > > > > Any suggestions on what kind of books or online resources
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > > > preparation, oracle 9i is pretty new, you know.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Justin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> >
Received on Mon Jan 28 2002 - 10:34:40 CST