Re: Oracle is consistent

Jim,

I suspect that your problem is more environmental - possibly too little memory, too many secondary or perhaps conflicting processes, network card or account priveledge issues. Or possibly the edition of W2K. Or some conflicting program. Or you might have something from an earlier problematic install stuck in that wonderful insanity called the registry.

Come to think of it, you probably did yourself in by having installed under a non-administrator account and then retroactively changing to admin capabilities, as you clearly indicate.

I do a lot of demos and like to work with a fresh environment, including Oracle8i (8.1.6, 8.1.7) or Oracle9i, every couple of weeks. As a result, I've done about 15 installs in the past few months - and not one of them has taken more than 1 1/2 hours until up and running. And currently I have Oracle 8.1.7 and Oracle9i running. I also know many, many others who have had no difficulty.

It's sad to hear specific incidents of difficulty, but possibly inappropriate to blame Oracle. Kind of reminds me of the guy who blamed Ford when he couldn't figure out how to install new wiper blades ...

Unfortunately many people who have problems installing Oracle on Wintel do so because they assume the installation is on the same order of complexity as most Windows games. Thus they rarely read the manual, the readme, or anything else. For those people, and especially those who like the joke about airlines - remember; no matter who built it, when we go for a ride, we hope trained professionals maintain and fly commercial aircraft.

"J. Fleck" wrote:

> Hi oracle lovers
>
> After trying to install 8.1.7 on W2K (for about 8 weeks), using only Oracle
> default values:
>
> a.. first problem starting Listener - Windows error 5: access denied
> b.. solved problem (or symptoms) by going to Services screen, selecting
> the Oracle add-ins, Log On, changing option from 'Local System Account' to
> 'This account' and then selecting <adminstrator> account and <adminstrator
> password>
> c.. Phew! Now we are going to have fun
> d.. Tried to create database
> e.. Naughty boy - ora-12560 (tsn protocal adaptor error) - what is an
> "adaptor" ?
> f.. Looked everywhere on the internet - very common problem. Not many very
> solutions - except read Oracle documentation - solution is "turn tracing on"
> 8 weeks later - why don't try we Oracle 9 - ok lets go
>
> - downloaded
>
> a.. first problem starting Listener - Windows error 5: access denied
> b.. solved problem (or symptoms) by going to Services screen, selecting
> the Oracle add-ins, Log On, changing option from 'Local System Account' to
> 'This account' and then selecting <adminstrator> account and <adminstrator
> password>
> c.. Phew! Now we are going to have fun
> d.. Tried to create database
> e.. Naughty boy - ora-12560
> I am reminded of the comparison between different operating systems (ok I
> know that Oracle isn't an operating system - lets call it poetic licence)
> that I read a number of years ago. An aircraft has to be designed and built
> using software running under a particular OS:
>
> a.. Windows - the aircraft is built in record time. It can carry 5000
> passengers at 5000 kph. On the maiden flight, it streaks to 10000 metres in
> 5 seconds then explodes, killing all 20 passengers. Microsoft then announces
> that the following version will be somewhat slower and more expensive but
> only 50% of the passengers will be killed;
> b.. Unix - The passengers arrive at the airport and are given a plan to
> build their own aircraft. After 3 hours they have a row and all decide to
> build their own aircraft. A number succeed. All passengers are expected to
> have a pilot's licence.
> c.. Linux- A splinter Unix group. The aircraft is very cheap. All
> passengers are expected to have a pilot's licence and they must re-build the
> aircraft before every flight
> d.. IBM - builds a very reliable model based on well tried technology. Can
> carry upto 100000 passengers at a speed of 3000 kph. Requires 200 cabin crew
> for every passenger
> e.. Oracle - great design, state of the art features, price / performance
> very good value. Complexity is a major problem. When they roll off the
> production floor the wings are often too large to pass through the hangar
> doors. The aircraft then returns an error message 'ora-11AAA - unable to
> insert null object into anything at all - please try to read and understand
> any documentation that you can find - or turn trace on'
> Jim Fleck
Received on Fri Nov 16 2001 - 01:52:58 CST