Is the PC in question connected to the Internet? Is it behind a firewall? Symptoms
of 'normally' behaving system starting to consume all available memory and
crash on regular basis may be an indication of an infection by a worm like Nimda.
Good if I'm wrong because you will probably have to cleanly reinstall the system
and change all passwords if I am right.
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Dynamic PSP(tm) - the first true RAD toolkit for Oracle-based internet applications.
All opinions are mine and do not necessarily go in line with those of my employer.
"Howard J. Rogers" <howardjr_at_www.com> wrote in message
news:3be1987f$0$13578$afc38c87_at_news.optusnet.com.au...
> OK. I think we are indeed on page 94 of the same songbook.
>
> Just have to say: every PC magazine I have ever seen has said stuff along
> the lines of 'get rid of utilities like MaxMem because Windows does a better
> job than they ever can -and they take up memory whilst doing their job
> badly'.
>
> Your mileage likely varies, though.
>
> It definitely sounds as if something is up, but maybe someone else can
> contribute further and better than I've managed.
>
> You sure you can't just "accidentally" purchase XP or 2000?? ;-)
> Regards
> HJR
> --
>
> Oracle Resources : http://www.geocities.com/howardjr2000
> ========================================
>
>
> "Lance" <lancehatfield_at_atl.mediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:1xaE7.4250$KE2.2785488_at_typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net...
> > Thanks again HJ. Based on your def. of a *leak*:
> >
> > ",A memory leak would be where RAM is consumed, and never released, even
> > after the database is closed, and all Oracle executables ended in a
> 'normal'
> > fashion. I'd also expect a memory leak to get progressively worse over
> > time, until we reach the point that the machine simply ceases to function,
> > or crashes."
> >
> > I think we're pretty much on the same page.
> >
> > While I don't think it has gotten progressively worse yet, it's not just a
> > matter of RAM being consumed and then released. I don't even have to
> start
> > any programs or databases. I use an application MaxMem that monitors RAM
> > consumption, and can free it up when it memory isn't released and starts
> to
> > run low. I wasn't running MaxMem continously prior to this problem
> arising,
> > so I don't really have anything to benchmark the issue, other than the
> fact
> > that I rarely, if ever, had a memory issue in the past. I have now
> inserted
> > MaxMem into my startup routine.
> >
> > Now, as an example, all I have to do is start up my pc, and once it has
> > completed the start up cycle, and before I have clicked on anything at
> all,
> > my memory is down to <15% free. If I don't free up memory with MaxMem
> every
> > few minutes, the pc will eventually freeze/lock-up, requiring a reboot.
> >
> > I may have mis-spoke earlier about the steps leading up to the issue. I
> > wasn't making notes so I'm not sure. It may very well be that I tried
> > running Universal Installer in silent mode before the leak "appeared". I
> > tried that after the extraction from the zip file, but this did not give
> me
> > a complete install, and I had to delete the files created and run the
> > setup.exe normally. The leak MAY have appeared after running the
> installer
> > in silent mode. That certainly makes more sense than having it appear
> right
> > after unzipping the files.
> >
> > In the meantime, I'm going through MS's knowledge base and researching as
> > much as I can. Thanks again.
> >
> > Lance
> >
> > "Howard J. Rogers" <howardjr_at_www.com> wrote in message
> > news:3be05443$0$15798$afc38c87_at_news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > Comments embedded.
> > > HJR
> > > --
> > >
> > > Oracle Resources : http://www.geocities.com/howardjr2000
> > > ========================================
> > >
> > >
> > > "Lance" <lancehatfield_at_atl.mediaone.net> wrote in message
> > > news:ZwRD7.3467$KE2.2390859_at_typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net...
> > > > Thanks for the reply. I am looking to upgrade to XP, but haven't seen
> > > > anything being offered by Oracle for that platform. Has Oracle
> > certified
> > > 8i
> > > > (or 9i) for XP?
> > > >
> > >
> > > No. But it's certified for 2000, and XP is just 2000 with knobs on. I
> > have
> > > it working here. But no, it's not certified -but probably will be soon.
> > >
> > > > I won't argue the point about Win98, but in it's defense, I haven't
> had
> > a
> > > > memory leak problem (at least, nothing nearly as dramatic as what is
> > > > currently happening) in the 2+ years I've been running on it. It
> wasn't
> > > > until I extracted the 8.1.7 zip file that the problem occurred. Not
> > > saying
> > > > it's Oracle's fault, but somehow, this triggered the situation. No
> > other
> > > > changes had/have been made to my system for at least a week prior to
> > this.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Well, I'm not defending Oracle, either. But merely unzipping files
> would
> > > not induce a memory leak. If you *ran* something, and not merely
> > unzipped,
> > > fair enough.
> > >
> > > > One point I failed to mention in my original post, which could very
> well
> > > be
> > > > part of the problem is that I am running 96MB ram.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You need 128M for 8i. 512M is the stated minimum for 9i (but I've got
> it
> > > going in 256M without difficulty). But then I upgraded to 1Gb, and
> > haven't
> > > looked back!
> > >
> > > > My main goal right now is to stop the leak, as it is a royal pain in
> the
> > > > a$$. Of course, if it continues, it might help convince my wife to
> let
> > me
> > > > upgrade with a new PC altogether! Seriously though, I rather fix this
> > > issue
> > > > for now.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Honestly: I can't see that its fixable. Taking what you wrote
> literally,
> > > you had a perfectly decent machine, you unzipped a file but didn't
> execute
> > > it, you developed a memory leak. Either you are using a weird unzipper
> > > (unlikely), the file was infected with a virus or worm (equaly unlikely
> if
> > > it came direct from technet or Oracle CDs), or our definitions of memory
> > > leaks is in divergence.
> > >
> > > After you extracted the files, but before you ran them, how did you
> > > determine that a memory leak had developed? What tools/diagnostics told
> > you
> > > that?
> > >
> > > And after you ran the installer, you said you developed a "horrendous"
> > > memory leak -again, how did you diagnose that? What I'm getting at is
> > that
> > > if you did a default installation, you would have got a database created
> > > with some very large memory settings, and I would expect RAM consumption
> > to
> > > go through the roof -but that's not my definition of a memory leak. A
> > > memory leak would be where RAM is consumed, and never released, even
> after
> > > the database is closed, and all Oracle executables ended in a 'normal'
> > > fashion. I'd also expect a memory leak to get progressively worse over
> > > time, until we reach the point that the machine simply ceases to
> function,
> > > or crashes.
> > >
> > > Certainly, if memory consumption shot through the roof merely by
> unzipping
> > a
> > > few files, and before any installation, something's wrong. That's why I
> > > want to know what the actual figures were, and what you used to obtain
> > them.
> > >
> > > We need to be clear that it *is* a memory leak and not just large memory
> > > consumption.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > HJR
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks again!
> > > >
> > > > Lance
> > > >
> > > > "Howard J. Rogers" <howardjr_at_www.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3bdf6ad4$0$27003$afc38c87_at_news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > > > Well, two key phrases in your post sprang to my attention: "Even
> > before
> > > I
> > > > > ran the Universal Installer...." and "I uninstalled all the Oracle
> > > > > files...and am still experienceing the memory leak".
> > > > >
> > > > > The other key phrase was "...for Win98".
> > > > >
> > > > > You're using a dodgy operating system that experienced memory
> problems
> > > > > before Oracle got anywhere near your machine. Incidentally, the
> idea
> > of
> > > > > using third-party memory utilities on Win98 is a disaster waiting to
> > > > happen.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's got zilch to do with Oracle, and everything to do with Windows
> 98
> > > (or
> > > > > your particular configuration of it, anyway). Do yourself a favour,
> > and
> > > > > upgrade to Windows XP Home -memory leaks will be a thing of the
> past,
> > > and
> > > > > Oracle will work quite nicely on it. (If you insist, go for Windows
> > > 2000
> > > > > Professional -which is basically XP, but without all the glitz).
> Not
> > a
> > > > > cheap option, I agree. And I won't even say that Oracle never has
> > > memory
> > > > > leaks, because it does, occasionally -but not before you run the
> > > installer
> > > > > it doesn't!
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > HJR
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Oracle Resources : http://www.geocities.com/howardjr2000
> > > > > ========================================
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Lance" <lancehatfield_at_atl.mediaone.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:H2JD7.3304$KE2.2233643_at_typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net...
> > > > > > Good evening,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hoping someone here might be able to point me in the right
> direction
> > > > with
> > > > > a
> > > > > > problem I've encountered. I recently downloaded 8.1.7 for Win98
> to
> > > help
> > > > > > study for OCP. Even before I ran the Universal Installer, but
> after
> > > > > > extracting the zip file, I noticed that my PC was experiencing a
> > > serious
> > > > > > memory leak.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I successfully ran the installer, but noticed that the memory leak
> > was
> > > > > > horrendous. I decided to go ahead and uninstall all the Oracle
> > files,
> > > > and
> > > > > > deleted all the folders associated with the installation and the
> > > > extracted
> > > > > > zip file. However, I am still experiencing the memory leak. For
> > > > example,
> > > > > > if I start up or reboot my computer, once it has fully cycled
> > through
> > > > the
> > > > > > startup, the pc is running with about 15% memory free. I can free
> > it
> > > up
> > > > > > (using MaxMem), but it will quickly run back down, without running
> > any
> > > > > > programs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd appreciate any suggestions anyone might have for this newbie.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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